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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115451: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:21:33 PM

Yeah but Loki's a murderer.

Lor is a rapist.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115452: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:23:52 PM

Loki from 2012 was a manic murderer who killed people for fun, who has never raped anyone does not mean that he is less evil

In addition to the rape can get a retcon.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:25:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115453: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:25:28 PM

Yeah but in terms of like accepted narrative rules.

It is widely regarded that even the worst mass murderer is more redeemable than a rapist.

Its why the rapist always gets offed & never redeemed or treated with any sense of greyness.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:26:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115454: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:27:59 PM

What I don't get is why you'd want a more heroic Lorelei.

For that matter, I still think Loki got off way too easy for gleefully heading straight to genocide with the Frost Giants and attempting genocide with humanity.

Kill 'em all and let Buri sort 'em out.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:28:16 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115455: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:31:49 PM

"What I don't get is why you'd want a more heroic Lorelei."

Not exactly heroic, but similar to her version of Loki: Agent of Asgard.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115456: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:34:00 PM

To me it seems like the simplest route would be making this more sympathetic Lorelei a relative of a more traditionally antagonistic one. "One is a remorseless rapist, one isn't" sounds like sufficient differentiation to go the route of Decomposite Character.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115457: Feb 10th 2020 at 6:35:54 PM

In this case, let them bring her sister Amora. (Although in the comics she is even worse)

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 10th 2020 at 6:37:09 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115458: Feb 10th 2020 at 8:21:24 PM

So the new writer of Thor: Love and Thunder:

Robinson got her start on the TV front, creating the MTV show “Sweet/Vicious,”
Holy shit, she created Sweet/Vicious? That was an awesome show and that was unfortunately cancelled before it's time. Okay, now the movie is going to be more amazing.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#115459: Feb 10th 2020 at 8:47:10 PM

For that matter, I still think Loki got off way too easy for gleefully heading straight to genocide with the Frost Giants and attempting genocide with humanity.

It's a family tradition. Thor got off easy for trying to genocide the Frost Giants, since he was considered completely forgiven for it at the end of his movie, and unlike Loki, he wasn't in the middle of a mental breakdown brought on by an existential crisis at the time. Odin spent the majority of his life enjoying the benefits from conquering and enslaving the Nine Realms. Loki getting punished for it and the punishment not being entirely lifted after a handful of days is the anomaly.

Edited by Ayasugi on Feb 10th 2020 at 11:49:44 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115460: Feb 10th 2020 at 8:50:20 PM

Frost Giants are just fairly expensive vases in Odinson family drama. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 10th 2020 at 8:50:42 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115461: Feb 10th 2020 at 8:53:45 PM

Dem all's dicks anyway.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#115462: Feb 11th 2020 at 4:25:20 AM

Cold hearted the lot of them!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115463: Feb 11th 2020 at 7:36:46 AM

"Kill 'em all and let Buri sort 'em out. "!

Hela: sure, when I try this, suddenly im evil!

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#115464: Feb 11th 2020 at 8:42:05 AM

So a few nights ago I sat down and finished Cloak and Dagger season 1. Color me impressed. Mostly good writing, dynamite performances, great soundtrack, and episode 7 especially really tugged at my heartstrings. ofc it also delves right into subject matter that's achingly relevant and relatable and combined with the rest of the show's tone and feel it just makes it sting all the more that these shows were culled one after the other, hopefully Moon Knight fills that street-level void.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115465: Feb 11th 2020 at 8:44:57 AM

@Ayasugi: The only one of those remotely comparable is Odin. Thor went to start a war with the frost giants and knocked out/killed a handful. Which is pretty bad, but Loki literally turned on a domsday device to bring upon a extinction-level event towards Jotunheim with 0 remorse (and we actually see several Jotuns being wiped out by it on-screen). Not the same thing.

One could make the case that Thor atoned for his attempted war by saving Jotunheim from Loki's absolute annihilation at no actual profit to himself (in fact, given the Jotuns hated his guts, letting Loki go forward would be considerably to his advantage). Loki never really gave any sort of gesture back to the people he tried to ethnically cleanse.

Granted, this is also part of the overall problem that Jotunheim drops off the face of the Nine Realms after the first Thor and the evident ramifications of their king being dead and a Asgardian brat trying to wipe them out wholesale are never explored.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 11th 2020 at 8:46:41 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115466: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:12:00 AM

[up]Granted, thor nearly cause a damn war and probably would welcome it, of all, thor is really close to hela in behivor.

granted his time in earth probably help it a little bit.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115467: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:20:33 AM

Retroactively Thor going down a path like Hela is a good explanation for why Odin reacts like Odin do

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115468: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:26:25 AM

[up]And odin not explain nothing and violent kicking him fit very nicely in ragnarok

As much as hate that movie, the idea of odin as warmonger is pretty nice and actually fit well on what we see on previous movies.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115469: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:30:52 AM

We really don't need to hear that you hate Ragnarok everytime its mentioned.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115470: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:32:02 AM

[up]I cant help myself.

So, does carol have any other villian for her eventual sequel? my knowlage of her is....null.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#115471: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:32:16 AM

I heard an early plan for Thor: Ragnarok was that Loki would've left Thor after Asgard's destruction and go into hiding on Jotunheim. Avengers: Infinity War would then open up with Thanos arriving on Jotunheim and killing Loki to get the Tesseract.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115472: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:33:18 AM

[up]I wonder if thanos army can take asgard

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#115473: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:34:38 AM

yes you can you just don't want to

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#115474: Feb 11th 2020 at 9:42:31 AM

No villain for Captain Marvel 2, although a lot of people want Mystique and Rogue.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115475: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:01:09 AM

The Supreme Intelligence and Yon-Rogg/Magnitron are still around by the end of Captain Marvel. My suggestion was always to have the villain of the sequel be The Supreme Intelligence taking Yon-Rogg's body as a Composite Character.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

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