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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Now that is a great Deleted Scene. It actually gives a lot more context to Egghead and the origins of Ghost, as well as Hank Pym's hatred for that man.
Also, it showcases how the original Ant-Man and Wasp fought as a team, with witty bantering between the two and some great action sequences. It's the closest you'll get to a classic Ant-Man adventure.
I still wonder if it could be canon to the MCU...
Edited by Shadao on Feb 7th 2020 at 12:49:15 PM
Two good examples of them choosing subtlety over action sequences. I wish more series did that: I can definitely see why both of those were omitted. Especially the second one. Yeesh.
But also the first one. In the finished movie, it's never elaborated whether Elias was really as awful as Hank said, or whose fault everything that went wrong was, or anything of the sort. Which was part of the point - it's all in the past, and all that really matters is the tragedy that came from it is what they're dealing with now - and helps set up the contrast between Scott (goofy but understanding and responsible) and the Pyms especially Hank (serious and intellectual but callous and irresponsible). That contrast is one of the best parts of the film.
Everyone hating Hank for his decisions in the past and nobody ever giving any clear answers about whether those falling outs really were his fault (or everyone else's fault, as he claims) after all is one of the best things about the character. You don't want to lose that.
Having an huge action sequence explicitly outlines that Elias into the villain and gives Hank and Janet a Bond sequence taking him down gives those two a chance to shine (especially Janet) but ultimately adds a lot less than it subtracts. It's almost exactly the same reason the second bit was probably cut: that bit gives Carol a literal big scary monster to confront but undercuts the nuance of the scene.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 7th 2020 at 1:02:26 AM
There are many other deleted scenes, too many to post all at once, so I’ll just link this
where nearly all of them are posted.
Huh. So Banner was originally supposed to become
Professor Hulk during Infinity War.
That... makes sense.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 7th 2020 at 2:06:13 AM
That Ant-Man and the Wasp scene was interesting and it really establishes why Ghost hates Hank so much (other than that he fired her father). But I understand why it was cut — it kills any ambiguity in the film, but also, the de-aging effects work...but you still immediately realize how old they are when they run. They run like old people.
And yes, this was also a problem in Captain Marvel, but Samuel L. Jackson still worked because he was Samuel L. Jackson. Watching a de-aged Michael Douglas run is weird, though, because it's an old person running with a young person's face.
The deleted scene for Ragnarok is interesting, as it shows that Odin was the one who suggested Thor release Surtur to stop Hela, even if he didn't explicitly say so.
Also, I don't recall the scene ever mentioning that Hela was Odin's daughter. Which either suggests a) that was change added during reshoots or b) that reveal was going to happen much later into the film.
Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 7th 2020 at 11:01:25 AM
Even though that would not have fitted well in the fight scene, I think Professor Hulk appearing during Infinity War would have been better than what we got. The way it was handled in the released movies left the issue of Hulk not wanting to go out unresolved and essentially had Banner dispose of the Hulk offscreen. Not the best way for the big guy to go out, especially after his humiliating defeat against Thanos.
Of course, knowing Hulk, it will likely not stick, but, with the fact that Hulk is more or less condemned to be a secondary character due to some rights issues, it means any reappearance of the Hulk will probably not be a major plot point.
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Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah, having Professor Hulk in Infinity War is pretty much the only deleted scene here I think would actually improve the film. Watching the final film, a lot of Bruce's scenes ended up setting up for a resolution that happened off-screen. Here, we get to see the payoff happen onscreen and it's more satisfying as a response.
Unsnapping is cool and all, but it's not exactly as impressive to see as him getting back at Thanos directly. And yeah, Hulk movies haven't had a good record, but I think that's just due to them not having been very good. They already have a version of him that audiences like now, and if Marvel can make relatively obscure, often mocked characters like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy work, they could definitely have made Hulk work. I'd be willing to bet it was only down to rights issues, not fear they couldn't make a successful Hulk movie.
I wish the Professor Hulk scene had been kept in Infinity War. Would have been a nice unsubverted hopeful element in that movie. Also, besides Endgame not really giving an explanation, I feel like the limited explanation given doesn't fully make sense, because there was a chance for Hulk and Banner to work together in the previous movie and Hulk didn't take it, and it's not really clear what would have changed as far as Hulk was concerned.
I do also like the Supreme Intelligence scene in Captain Marvel- it's so shonen-anime stupid, in a good way, what with the One-Winged Angel / Clipped-Wing Angel that borders on Giant Space Flea from Nowhere.
Probably a good idea to have cut that though. The movie works better for its focus on psychological impediments caused by gaslighting. I also feel like it would have been a Broken Aesop because the movie goes out of its way to subvert the idea of the Skrulls being evil because they are ugly (by human standards) disguising themselves as humans. So, it woudl be an odd choice to play that completely straight with the Kree leader. Lastly, it struck me that while the movie has a pretty light tone, this doesn't fit with it and is even sillier than Ego's presentation in Guardians 2, which was a much goofier movie to start with.
Edited by Hodor2 on Feb 8th 2020 at 12:43:15 PM

Another deleted scene, this time a flashback sequence from Ant-Man and The Wasp.