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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#115326: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:33:27 AM

I think the easiest way to do Throg would be to tie it into how Jane Foster gets Mjolnir. Reveal that the Asgardians recovered the fragments of Mjolnir from the Norwegian countryside shortly after their arrival. Eitri (who has moved to New Asgard) helps reforge Mjolnir as part of the storyline of Love and Thunder. Jane Foster gets Mjolnir and, like it's previous human wielder, obtains "the power of Thor". Thor keeps Stormbreaker.

However in all of this one tiny sliver of Mjolnir never gets incorporated into the final hammer. However reforging the hammer nevertheless caused this sliver to start resonating with an echo of the reforged hammer's power.

Separately from this, early in the movie a civilian, Simon Walterson, gets in the way of a curse intended for one of the heroes and gets turned into a frog for his efforts. The heroes decide that until they figure out how to turn him back they decide to at least make his life as a frog as comfortable as possible and take him back to New Asgard.

Then near the end of the movie (or in a post-credit scene) Simon Walterson, as a frog, finds the sliver of Mjolnir and is thus transformed into THROG!

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#115327: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:46:13 AM

I do love that the frog still has all of Thor’s power. He’s just as dangerous, just much more ridiculous to look at.

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#115328: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:59:10 AM

Throg can be played by Kermit grin

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#115329: Feb 5th 2020 at 7:10:03 AM

I still want Jane to reforge Mjolnir as a culmination of that whole plot point where she's scientifically analyzing Asgardian Magitek. The first Thor movie ended with the implication that she would design a new Bifrost on Earth.

That plot point fell by the wayside as Selvig went to Avengers to work on a nearly identical project to what Jane was supposed to be doing, while Thor got to Earth by way of F*ck You, That's How. And then in Thor 2, the Asgardians rebuilt the Bifrost themselves and Jane's plotline was invited to go f*ck itself into a handful of "LOL Physics!" lines when she visits Asgard.

In follow-ups to the Thor film, Jane got to be Thor's Girlfriend, she got to be the MacGuffin bearer, but she never got to be Scientist Person Who Understands Magitek. Not in a way that actually affects the plot. And, like, that was supposed to be her thing.

So if we're actually breaking Jane back for Love and Thunder and planning on somehow making her Lady Thor with Mjolnir and everything, I want Jane to reforge Mjolnir.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 5th 2020 at 8:10:34 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#115330: Feb 5th 2020 at 8:02:03 AM

[up] Good points.

I haven't really thought of the details of how Mjolnir gets reforged. I do think Eitri should be involved because he was the one who forged it in the first place and because I would feel terribly sorry for him if he's forgotten alone on a cold and desolate place with only the ghosts of his slaughtered kin for company. At least in New Asgard he has a chance at living an actual life.

However the fact is reforging Mjolnir with the tech they have access to on Earth is a very different problem to crack then forging it in the first place when he could directly tap the power of a dying star. So he might not be able to do it alone, and Jane Foster might be the person who not only helps him do that, but could very easily be the first person to figure out that it can be done at all.

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#115331: Feb 5th 2020 at 9:41:54 AM

RE: Christian Bale:

Apparently he's playing an intergalactic villain, so Gorr and Dario Agger would probably be out.

Maybe Annihilus?

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#115332: Feb 5th 2020 at 10:30:15 AM

Christian Bale should play The Punisher

what?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115333: Feb 5th 2020 at 10:42:54 AM

Christian Bale should play Nighthawk.

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#115335: Feb 5th 2020 at 4:14:04 PM

Dude, if nothing else, I hope some reference is made to the Spider-Man trilogy if that’s the case.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115337: Feb 5th 2020 at 4:28:02 PM

Sam Raimi is in talks to direct Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
GIVE ME THIS, UNIVERSE.

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#115339: Feb 5th 2020 at 4:35:54 PM

Now that's a helluva choice.

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#115340: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:16:26 PM

The memes write themselves.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115341: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:26:52 PM

Obligatory Spider-Man themed responses aside, Raimis visual style would probably work pretty well for Dr. Strange. I never though it was a perfect fit for Spidey, but that kind of sweeping, sudden and occasional visual intensity would be interesting for Strange.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 5th 2020 at 5:27:35 AM

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#115342: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:32:07 PM

In follow-ups to the Thor film, Jane got to be Thor's Girlfriend, she got to be the MacGuffin bearer, but she never got to be Scientist Person Who Understands Magitek. Not in a way that actually affects the plot. And, like, that was supposed to be her thing.

Aren't you forgetting the climax of Thor: The Dark World, where she... that time when she... god, it hurts to say. They make a device that can detect where the portals will appear, and then say "well if it can detect portals, maybe it can also make portals", and then that WORKS SOMEHOW.

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#115343: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:37:59 PM

That's real comic science

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#115344: Feb 5th 2020 at 5:55:49 PM

Just found out about Sam Raimi being in talks to direct Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and holy cow pie, my everything wants to see that happen! surprised

Raimi hasn't directed a Marvel movie since Spider-Man 3 (which had a massive case of executive meddling) and hasn't directed a movie period since Oz: The Great and Powerful (which was also a Disney movie, funnily enough).

And need I bring up the Doctor Strange shout out in Spider-Man 2?

This could be crazy huge!

Tough break about Rachel McAdams not coming back, though...sad

But still, Sam Raimi! Everyone, set fingers to maximum crossing for this to work out! grin

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#115345: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:15:00 PM

Aren't you forgetting the climax of Thor: The Dark World, where she... that time when she... god, it hurts to say. They make a device that can detect where the portals will appear, and then say "well if it can detect portals, maybe it can also make portals", and then that WORKS SOMEHOW.

Nope. That's Selvig's moment, not Jane's.

Those devices are Selvig's gravimetric spikes, which he'd been trying to use to yadda yadda away the apocalypse since before the movie began. We see news coverage of him stripping naked for some reason and trying to do this same thing to counter the Convergence earlier in the film.

Jane helps him in the climax, but that's still his culmination. It's the conclusion of the film's "Selvig's gone banana-pants" subplot, vindicating his antics. Jane's study of Magitek has never once affected the plot.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 5th 2020 at 7:18:46 AM

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#115346: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:15:31 PM

Who's ready for the introduction of Clea so she and Wanda can spend the entire movie screaming?

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#115347: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:30:28 PM

Why do you think they’re going to do that?

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#115348: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:39:49 PM

Clea?

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123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#115349: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:45:43 PM

Perhaps we can get a Bruce Campbell cameo in Doctor Strange 2.

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#115350: Feb 5th 2020 at 6:50:42 PM

[up][up] Dormammu's niece. Sorceress of the Dark Dimension, iconic love interest to Dr. Strange.

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