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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#115276: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:55:07 AM

Drones and master AI do not go together. It just goes really badly.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#115277: Feb 4th 2020 at 11:58:16 AM

I also believe that EDITH was never meant to see the light of day or if she was it wasn't until Peter was much MUCH older. Tony had to have built it before IW with the intent of giving it to Peter when he died or when he chose to hang up the armors for good since Peter was now old enough and responsible enough to take on the mantle. But once Peter 'died' in IW and Tony more or less retired he stopped working/fiddling with it.

The question isn't "Why did Tony make EDITH?" it should be "Why did Fury (the real one has shown in the stinger) decide giving it to a 16-17 year old kid was a GOOD idea?"

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115278: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:00:26 PM

C’mon when was the last time giving a kid too much power went badly? tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 4th 2020 at 12:00:33 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#115279: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:14:58 PM

EDITH only seems able to carry out Peter's instructions, not make decisions by itself. That's a key difference.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#115280: Feb 4th 2020 at 12:59:47 PM

Which is theoretically better, but the entire film is about how that could still go horribly wrong. Even before he gave control to Mysterio, he almost blew up one of his classmates with a drone.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#115281: Feb 4th 2020 at 1:15:08 PM

Most likely because he had NO IDEA what EDITH really was, he may have initially thought that EDITH was more powerful version of KAREN and with some 'awareness' that JARVIS, and FRIDAY had.

EDITH was both more powerful and very literal, following orders without question. If told to unleash a 'death drone' on a classmate I'd like think both JARVIS and FRIDAY would have confirmed and clarified the order before following through.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#115282: Feb 4th 2020 at 1:50:46 PM

KAREN was also quite literal in understanding Peter's commands, at least at first. And she also was very eager to activate insta-kill mode. Possibly all of Tony's A.I.s are a bit trigger-happy (JARVIS did not hesitate to attack Pepper because she was carrying Extremis). Or, more precisely, his A.I.s are literal when it serves the Rule of Drama or Rule of Funny.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#115284: Feb 4th 2020 at 3:21:54 PM

That’s such a long time from now

We should panic and run around like headless chickens

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115285: Feb 4th 2020 at 6:22:46 PM

Christian Bale as Villain

https://www.cbr.com/thor-love-thunder-christian-bale-alien-marvel-villain/

The most popular theory is that Bale will play Gorr the god Butcher.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115286: Feb 4th 2020 at 6:32:10 PM

Gorr would be redundant though, considering MCU Hela's powerset was already inspired by him.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115287: Feb 4th 2020 at 7:46:02 PM

The other suggestion is that it's the Beyonder, which would be interesting, but also kind of weird?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#115288: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:08:54 PM

The other reason there's no reason to do Gor is because... there's no real conflict. All the Gods except Thor are already dead. We've been introduced to no other Earthly pantheon, no cosmic pantheons, and we've been told flat-out from Thor's first movie that gods aren't real you nerd, magic isn't real, it's just science, shut up, it's the early phase of the MCU and we still have to be grounded.

So, like, what's Gor gonna do? Kick Thor in his gunt while he's already down?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115289: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:13:05 PM

Gorr is actually the kind of person who would do that.

If every god but Thor was already dead, that wouldn't be enough for Gorr. He wants them all dead.

Edited by M84 on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:13:40 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#115290: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:17:05 PM

Maybe he'll play Mephisto? He's battled Thor before. Just keep him away from Spider-Man and you're good.

alanh Since: May, 2010
#115291: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:18:34 PM

Apologies for the doublepost but would now be a good time to set up individual work pages for these three shows?
Generally the rule is to wait until there's an official specific release date (not 4th quarter 2020).

There is also a forum thread over in the Live Action TV area.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115292: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:18:41 PM

wild mass guessChristian Bale will play MODOK. And keeping with his past radical bodily transformations he will actually turn himself into a giant floating head.wild mass guess

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 4th 2020 at 10:19:10 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#115293: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:20:06 PM

But part of the conflict and what makes Gorr interesting is the philosophical/moral end of the debate. Is Gorr right? Are all the Gods bad? Despite all the good that Thor himself has done, would the universe as a whole be better off if all the Gods were gone?

But in the MCU it doesn't matter, because the Gods- or rather literally only the Asgardians, that's all we've ever seen and probably all we'll ever see- never seemed to do anything except jerk off in the nine realms. They seem to have done very little of cosmic relevance or importance to have ruined or improved anyone's lives, so the question has already been answered. The MCU clearly is better off without gods, because there's nothing to suggest that things have gotten worse now that they're all gone.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115294: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:21:49 PM

The Marvel comics already answered that question too.

Gorr was right.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#115295: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:22:05 PM

Yeah, I can't see a lot of value in introducing Gorr now.

I also can't see a lot of value in Bale playing the Beyonder, as was suggested earlier in the thread, but for different reasons. Like, the Beyonder's kind of a big deal? It'd be difficult to compress Secret War to the scope of one superhero's solo film.

I mean, they did it with Civil War but we all knew going in that Civil War was really Avengers 2.5. Nothing about Love and Thunder has given the same implication.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 4th 2020 at 11:22:50 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#115296: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:23:15 PM

[up][up][up] Tell that to the giant dwarves.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115297: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:23:46 PM

Like, the Beyonder's kind of a big deal? It'd be difficult to compress Secret War to the scope of one superhero's solo film.
I mean, Christian Bale is a big actor, so he might be a multi-film villain, like Thanos was.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 4th 2020 at 10:27:19 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115298: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:25:41 PM

My main reason for thinking Gorr won't be it is, again, because he kind of already was. MCU Hela powerset was inspired by Gorr's powerset.

[up][up]Giant dwarf. There's only one left.

Edited by M84 on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:26:16 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115299: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:27:07 PM

I'm sure they're going to adapt Secret War eventually, but that's major crossover material and Marvel seems to be holding off on big crossovers for now while audiences recover from Endgame.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 4th 2020 at 10:27:28 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115300: Feb 4th 2020 at 10:29:25 PM

Reminder that Thor’s immediate family is apparently the only Gods on Asgard.

No Baldur, Tyr, Ullr, Sol, Skadi, Freya (unless she’s already mentioned to have died during Hela’s extermination of the Valkyries)........... Of course I’m listing these all from Smite but you get my point.

[up][up] But Hela didn’t use shadow powers. She just summons a lot of pointy stubby things.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 4th 2020 at 10:30:10 AM

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