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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
She also made Loki king in a deleted scene, and argued with Odin in another deleted scene. (So much good character stuff was in deleted scenes in Thor 1...)
And I have my doubts about how much of a conscience Odin really grew. It wasn't enough for him to actually give back what he'd stolen, or to not keep on killing and stealing if he felt the realms of dangerous monsters needed some punishment.
Yeah, I remember Fridga pulling a sword on the Frost Giants too. IIRC she was preparing to defend the sleeping Odin from Laufey before Loki's treachery got him instead? Something like that.
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I don tthink he grew one, or a least not much, just enough to feel bad about it, which is why I hated in ragnarok but them again I hate that movie so whatever.
But yeah, do you imagine odin being killed in thor 2 and Hela showing with the invasion of the dark elves?
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I think it can be safely said he wanted Thor to be better than both him and Hela.
Probably Loki too, but that one didn't turn out.
So 1 out of 2 isn't bad, and even Loki seemed on the verge of improving before he legitimately came down with a bad case of stabbed in the chest.
One Strip! One Strip!Since I've heard many people espouse this on this site too, I'm just gonna ask:
Why were a good number of viewers saying that they would've preferred to see the version of The Punisher that appeared in DD Season 2 instead of the one we got in his spin-off series? I honestly don't see whats so different, what exactly is meant by that?
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianIt’s amusing that despite his best efforts Odin had to banish or imprison all three of his kids for being dangerous, entitled assholes with destructive ideologies.
Like, one I could get as an outlier. Two could be a coincidence. All three is a pattern: the dude was not good at this.
Hell, all three of them initially became the way they were because they thought it would make him proud.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 2nd 2020 at 12:55:22 PM
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DD S2 Punisher is an aimless spree killer mowing down any criminal who crosses his path as a revenge rampage. Punisher in his own show is a bit more goal-oriented, protecting his godchild-of-the-season and working to uncover a big government/military/corporate conspiracy, like a more straightforwardly-heroic action hero. The latter makes for a more palatable protagonist, but is somewhat of a divergence from the original comic character.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 2nd 2020 at 4:02:08 AM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Odin wasn't very against Thor invading Jotunheim and starting a fight with their king, since he tried to pass it off as "boys will be boys" to the victims and denied them any say in the perpetrators' punishment. Plus there was the whole "taking their king's son and raising him in secret to hate his own race" thing.
Which the Frost Giants had no say in, either the punishment, the conditions for it being undone, or the full forgiveness a few days later. Odin unilaterally controlled all of that, and the most communication he gave with the actual victims was "this was a boy acting out, I've dealt with him appropriately, end of story". That's not a benevolent ruler, that's a despot who doesn't care about his subjects' opinions, just that they all behave according to his rules.
Your leaving out a couple details.
For 1 Laufey wants to conquer Asgard & the 9 Realms so if he has any say he'll use it to take advantage of the situation & ask for the Casket or use it as justification to begin his own conquest.
Also 2 about Odin taking his son. Laufey abandoned Loki, leaving him to die & when he finds out years later that his son is indeed alive he states he still should have died all those years ago. Odin saved Loki's life and gave him a home & family which is more than can be said about Loki's own species.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 2nd 2020 at 4:54:14 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Odin is in a funny place between Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater because of The Reveal in Ragnarok regarding his imperialistic nature and because people (including the filmmakers) like to give Loki a shiny pair of leather pants (aside from the actual pair he wears).
In this very conversation the understanding of Odin's motives is a bit crooked. Odin shows up to try to enact diplomacy with the Frost Giants but Laufey explicitly refuses to even humor him and declares war right afterwards (direct quote: "There will be no diplomacy, all-father. He'll get what he came for: war and death"). The story never clarifies what Odin would have done if Laufey had just sat down and decided not to declare open war against Asgard over Thor's actions, but as it is the fact that Asgard and Jotunheim are now officially at war means Odin handing Thor's justice to the Frost Giants would be a dicey proposition. Granted, Thor did just storm Jotunheim on a more or less unprovoked attack so Laufey's not entirely in the wrong here, but the fact of the matter still is Odin did the best he could with the situation he was given.
Likewise, people like to say Odin kidnapped Loki and raised him to hate his own kind when A) Odin explicitly points out Loki was a abandoned, runt child left to die that he rescued and nothing ever contradicts this, with Loki's tiny stature compared to the Jotuns being actually evidence that he's being truthful B) Odin never really declares hatred for Frost Giants, the film if anything always shows him as the voice of reason when everyone else tries to go genocidal on Frost Giants.
Interesting thing to note here: Odin, for the more imperialistic dick he was in the past, never tried to wipe out an entire race. Loki straight up commits genocide/attempted genocide in the first Thor movie by way of trying to blow up Jotunheim (and we see several frost giants being blown up during this process so he killed at least a few) and is indirectly responsible for Thanos's genocide of Nidavellir by ignoring their pleas for help (Thor points out in Ragnarok the nine realms are in disarray due "Odin's" absentee management and Eitri points out he begged Asgard for help and nobody answered).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."There's also the fact that when the Frost Giants did sneak into Asgard to steal the Casket back, Odin explicitly told Thor that he wasn't going to engage war against Jotunheim for the actions of a few. Granted, it turned out they were there on the orders of Laufey, but still.
It's obvious in retrospect that Odin was slipping back into old habits in Thor: The Dark World. This is most likely a result of having Loki turn into a genocidal conqueror like his sister and losing Frigga in the span of a few years. Not that it justifies his actions by any means.
Odin's idea of diplomacy was trying to pull a "boys will be boys" on Laufey, who naturally treated Thor's invasion as the serious act of war that it was. That's not being reasonable and respectful, that's being condescending and dismissive.
And he might not have actively taught his sons to hate Frost Giants, but he didn't do shit to counteract the anti-Jotun prejudice of their society or correct his own sons when they started talking about Frost Giants as monsters who should be destroyed. The way he tells history, they're just monsters who need to be killed before they kill innocents, and the only admonition he gives when little Thor boasts that he'll destroy all the monsters is a "don't seek out war" platitude, which is undercut by him immediately saying to always be ready for a war.
Odin might not be the actively malicious bloodthirsty conqueror he's painted as in Ragnarok's backstory, but he's still far from a good king or father. He's neglectful and passively oppressive, and as TDW shows, not that far from slipping right back into bloodthirstiness. He's also painfully unaware of how his moral example contributed to his sons' thinking that wiping out an entire race would be a good thing that would impress him.
Edited by Ayasugi on Feb 2nd 2020 at 9:14:33 AM

What’d she do?
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