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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Cross (Don’t ask)
#115101: Jan 31st 2020 at 7:19:20 PM

The only person that gets credit for killing Tony Stark is Tony Stark, and the realization of that will be the driving motivation for villains for years to come.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115102: Jan 31st 2020 at 7:35:38 PM

I wonder when we’ll get someone mad at the avengers for letting Tony die instead of being mad at Tony specifically

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#115103: Jan 31st 2020 at 7:46:52 PM

Not in these threads, most people here are pretty reasonable about that sort of thing, but it's absolutely been a thing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115104: Jan 31st 2020 at 7:48:15 PM

Oh, I meant in-universe.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#115105: Jan 31st 2020 at 7:51:27 PM

The only person that came to mind was Morgan, but that feels more like an alternate universe/timeline sort of deal.

wild mass guessKang the Conqueror will be Morgan Starkwild mass guess

Edited by Cross on Jan 31st 2020 at 10:57:03 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115106: Jan 31st 2020 at 8:41:45 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]So that will be the driving motivation of all of Spidey's future villains then.

Edited by M84 on Feb 1st 2020 at 12:41:56 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#115107: Jan 31st 2020 at 9:05:05 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] I already read a fic where Peter Parker blamed Carol Danvers for Tony's death. "she's basically immortal, so she could've used the Gauntlet as soon as she got it, with no ill effect to her" was his reasoning. I rolled my eyes real hard.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#115108: Jan 31st 2020 at 9:47:51 PM

I know he cares about Tony like his second dad but that's a bit much. Nevertheless the premise sounds like it has a lot of potential as an excuse to Fan Wank why Carol couldn't have wielded the gauntlet herself, or to explore individual characters' emotional fallout over Tony's death.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115109: Jan 31st 2020 at 9:52:19 PM

It might not even be public how Carol got her powers, so Peter has no reason to think Carol is pretty much a human Infinity Stone.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#115110: Jan 31st 2020 at 10:08:20 PM

Also, they weren't planning to use the Gauntlet. It was a last-ditch effort by Tony because Thanos was like a heartbeat away from getting it himself.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115111: Jan 31st 2020 at 10:13:23 PM

And technically Tony didn't use the Gauntlet. What he did was take the stones off of the Nano-Gauntlet and wired them into his own armor instead.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115112: Jan 31st 2020 at 10:14:06 PM

I've thought a lot about what would happen if anyone innately powered by an Infinite Stone - Vision, Wanda, Carol, anyone I've forgotten - tried to use the Gauntlet or the Stone that powered them.

Mostly because it a funny image, I decided that they would just explode immediately.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 31st 2020 at 10:14:34 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#115113: Jan 31st 2020 at 10:26:51 PM

Here's an idea: one person uses the Infinity Gauntlet to grant another person super-duper-ultra durability, enough to let them use the Gauntlet with barely any damage. Then, before the person who just used the Gauntlet dies, the person they gave that stat boost picks up the Gauntlet and uses it to heal up that first Gauntlet user and give them a similar super-duper-ultra durability boost.

Boom, the horrible side-effects of the Gauntlet are negated.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115114: Feb 1st 2020 at 8:49:50 AM

[up] The Gauntlet cannot be used to negate the Stones, though. That's why Bruce using the Gauntlet couldn't bring Natasha back. If someone dies due to the Gauntlet, odds are, that's a perma-death.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#115115: Feb 1st 2020 at 9:10:59 AM

[up] But... the whole plot of Endgame is bringing people back who were killed by the Gauntlet. Unless you want to argue that they weren't really killed but disappeared.

I always assumed the idea was that Bruce couldn't bring Natasha back because she became part of the Soul Stone, or there was a greater cosmic ruling that made the soul-for-a-soul exchange permanent.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115116: Feb 1st 2020 at 9:11:39 AM

Apparently dusting people moved them to the recycle bin but did not then right click and select empty recycle bin.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115117: Feb 1st 2020 at 9:42:43 AM

But... the whole plot of Endgame is bringing people back who were killed by the Gauntlet. Unless you want to argue that they weren't really killed but disappeared.
They turned to dust. I don't really think that's considered "dying" properly.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#115118: Feb 1st 2020 at 10:05:45 AM

The necessity of sacrificing a soul to gain the soul stone suggests that in some way dying in exchange for someone getting the stone equates to mega-ultra-super-dead. Thanos never seems to have even bothered trying to bring Gamora back and for the sacrifice to have worked he had to have had some sort of love for her... Though then again, that's not exactly out of character for him either.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#115119: Feb 1st 2020 at 11:28:45 AM

It makes sense to me. The Infinity Stones are mystical artifacts, and there's a long tradition of mystical stuff not letting you go back on a deal. If you traded the life of someone you loved to get the Soul Stone, then of course the Soul Stone's not going to let you renege.

Edited by RavenWilder on Feb 1st 2020 at 11:29:12 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#115120: Feb 1st 2020 at 12:22:08 PM

Though if you return what you got in that trade (so the Soul Stone) you'd think you'd get back what you lost, but it seems there's a no refunds policy with the Soul Stone. Once you've got it, you can't get rid of it and can't undo what you did to get it.

One Strip! One Strip!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115121: Feb 1st 2020 at 3:26:46 PM

NVM

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 1st 2020 at 7:43:58 AM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#115122: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:41:20 PM

The only person that came to mind was Morgan, but that feels more like an alternate universe/timeline sort of deal.

wild mass guessKang the Conqueror will be Morgan Starkwild mass guess

I got one better for you. wild mass guessKang the Conqueror will be Tony Stark.

He's from the future where the Avengers didn't travel back in time. When Tony invented time travel, he created a new branch of the timeline where the Avengers traveled into the past to get the Infinity Gems, which is the timeline we know of now. But Kang is the Tony that Tony would have been if Tony didn't invent time travel and ultimately die.

Kang-Tony invented time travel to go back in time to stop Tony-Tony from inventing time travel and going back in time to save half of the world. He's mad at the Avengers for getting him killed and depriving him of growing up with his wife and daughter.

However, by inventing time travel, Kang created a new branch of the timeline. In the original timeline where Kang didn't invent time travel, Tony eventually got over it and realized that the heroic sacrifice he made for the Earth was the right thing to do.

To prevent his sacrifice for the world from being undone, Tony invented time travel to go back and combat Kang-Tony. Tony teams up with Tony to protect Tony's sacrifice from Tony.wild mass guess

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 1st 2020 at 7:41:30 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115123: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:47:23 PM

[up]That is a nice theory, it need more loki but is a nice theory.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#115124: Feb 1st 2020 at 7:10:11 PM

The film will be the first MCU product to feature Robert Downey Jr. playing all of the important roles. The major characters are

  • Tony Stark, played by RDJ
  • Kang the Conqueror, played by RDJ
  • Old Tony, played by RDJ
  • Iron Lad, a young Tony who traveled forward in time, played by RDJ with CGI de-aging
  • Pepper Potts, played by RDJ in a wig.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 1st 2020 at 8:10:26 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115125: Feb 1st 2020 at 7:12:53 PM

I'm sure Downey will sign on once he gets tired of pulling bagpipes out of dragon's anuses.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 1st 2020 at 7:15:19 AM


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