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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114876: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:15:48 PM

Personally, I like the idea I've heard of the villains of Captain Marvel 2 being Mystique as The Chessmaster Big Bad and Rogue as The Dragon who fights Carol on her level by stealing her powers. The movie would end with Rogue being redeemed and Mystique swearing vengence.

I want this too (I've written at length more than once about how I think a plot like this should go, and I think something really thematic, in keeping with the messages of Carol's series, and heartfelt could be made there), and it bugs the shit out of me that the sexist crowd has appropriated Rogue as their symbol of a character they want to "put Carol in her place," because it's a legitimately good plot idea that I think has some actual potential and all that negative buzz will make is less likely for Marvel Studios to do it.

Intolerant Assholes: Keeping the rest of us from having nice things for ages upon ages.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:19:49 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114877: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:18:09 PM

...You think they would use Mystique so quickly after Dark Phoenix?

Also, considering his role in her redemption, this just makes me sadder ROM is stuck in Hasbro jail.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114878: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:19:27 PM

...You think they would use Mystique so quickly after Dark Phoenix?

Why not? It's not like audiences will be likely to assume they're the same character.

Hell, that trainwreck featured most of the X-Men, but they're not likely to be blacklisted from film any time soon.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:22:07 PM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#114879: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:21:33 PM

Besides, introducing some X-Men characters piecemeal before the big titles would probably be a good idea.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:23:29 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114880: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:22:44 PM

Imo it's the best idea for introducing them, especially since loads of those characters started as other characters' supporting or antagonists anyway. Slowly trickle in X-Men mythos characters in tv shows and other films, show that mutants are getting to be more and more of a thing, and then give us a full X-Men movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:23:09 PM

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#114881: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:35:17 PM

and it bugs the shit out of me that the sexist crowd has appropriated Rogue as their symbol of a character they want to "put Carol in her place," because it's a legitimately good plot idea that I think has some actual potential and all that negative buzz will make is less likely for Marvel Studios to do it.

Personally, I want them to do that plot partially because of those sexist assholes, because you know that movie would end with Carol redeeming Rogue and Rogue looking up to her as an inspiration, and that would just make all those assholes so mad it makes me giddy.

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#114882: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:37:41 PM

....

Yeah, I'm sold.

Can we work in a narrative about female MRAs somehow? The kind of women who internalize Patriarchal ideals in order to succeed, regurgitate the same nonsense, and promptly get worshipped by conservatives for it? The Right loves trotting out these women to go, "A woman agrees with me, therefore feminism is fake."

The Token X Conservative is a popular tool used with other underprivileged groups too. There's this idea that all underprivileged groups are monoliths and if you can find a single dissenting voice of the same demographic, the whole movement will fall apart like a house of cards.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:41:03 PM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#114883: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:38:42 PM

And then you have two lady bricks instead of one. Win-win.

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#114884: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:38:56 PM

Brace yourselves and take this with a grain of salt.

Apparently Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness now has casting calls for a teenaged Hispanic female for a supporting role.

America Chavez, bitches!

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114885: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:40:18 PM

Please no. Please anyone but her. Although the fact I cannot think of any other Hispanic females besides her is kind of why I hate her so much TBH.

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#114886: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:40:43 PM

Huh that makes sense.

If Doctor Strange 2 is about going to different dimensions then Chavez can be fitted in since she's from another dimension.

[up] Poor reason to hate someone.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:43:23 PM

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#114887: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:41:14 PM

[up][up] Well, when you put it like that, I really hope it's her. I don't think so but I do hope so now.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:41:20 PM

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#114888: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:42:12 PM

[up]I like choices. And I never liked Chavez since she’s an abrasive jerk most of the time.

To be fair, there were rumors of a show happening a few months ago that went nowhere. Is this going to be a thing? Keep rumoring Chavez appears in something until she finally does?

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:45:19 PM

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#114889: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:45:12 PM

It begins! surprised

Of course Mac's getting called because Strange and Wanda janked up the Multiverse so badly. [lol]

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:46:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114890: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:46:24 PM

[up]Technically it began a few months ago with that show rumor.

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#114891: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:46:25 PM

[up][up]

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:47:13 PM

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#114892: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:47:02 PM

Can we work in a narrative about female MR As somehow? The kind of women who internalize Patriarchal ideals in order to succeed, regurgitate the same nonsense, and promptly get worshipped by conservatives for it? The Right loves trotting out these women to go, "A woman agrees with me, therefore feminism is fake."

I don't know about that, specifically, but I could see Mystique being the type of woman who manipulates and abuses Rogue into obeying her and not becoming independent because Mystique has convinced her that she's worthless and she would hurt herself and others if she tried to live without mother's guidance.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:49:44 PM

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#114893: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:47:57 PM

It's not just that "male characters are rude to her" (which isn't even the case — neither Fury nor Coulson is rude to her, really), it's that Carol faces sexism in various forms, from the toxic masculinity of the "You know why they call it a cockpit?" guy, to the people at the Air Force who wouldn't let her or Maria Rambeau fly combat missions, to Yon-Rogg, who repeatedly gaslights her and tells her to "control your emotions," making her seem as if she's some emotional woman instead of, well, obviously not.

To be clear, I was qualifying all of those under "male characters are rude to her". I was simply using a pretty broad definition of "rude".

I still don't get what's up with the little shitstain in the racing memory telling her she's "going too fast" before speeding away laughing. Like, what's that even supposed to mean? She has to race slower because she's a girl?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114894: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:49:24 PM

I don't know about that, specifically, but I could see Mystique being the type of woman who manipulates and abuses Rogue into obeying her and not becoming independent because Mystique has convinced her that she's worthless and she would hurt herself and others if she tried to live without mother's guidance.
So you want Mystique as Mother Gothel? That would be pretty interesting, actually.

Like, what's that even supposed to mean? She has to race slower because she's a girl?
Yes. Females are often seen as "more delicate" then males, hence the guy telling her she was going too fast.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:50:44 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114895: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:50:14 PM

[up]When you put it like that, instead of MRA or whatever, it feels like any Mystique and Rogue/Brotherhood villain group would be focused primarily on doing a 180 from the Jennifer Lawrence version. Instead of making her the anti-heroine turned heroine, it would be a full on villain physically and emotionally.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:52:43 PM

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#114896: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:50:29 PM

If they’re going to seed x men stuff in preparation for an X Men movie I think they should make Illyana Strange’s apprentice

That was one of the best What Ifs marvel ever put out

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#114897: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:50:44 PM

[up][up][up] You telling me Mystqiue has never been that way before?

That's surprising.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:53:24 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114898: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:51:56 PM

For me, I don't want Mystique to be a bad mother to Rogue. Mainly because I want to see her and Destiny Happily Married and raising Rogue together...even as they are both international mutant terrorists.

I do want her to absolutely be a shitty mother to Nightcrawler, though. Nightcrawler was the one she abandoned, while Rogue was the one she adopted. I want Rogue to see how badly she treats other people and rebel because of that, not because Mystique treats her badly.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:52:34 PM

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#114899: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:55:19 PM

Said it before, all I ask from Marvel Studios is to give a shit about mutants other than Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto and Deadpool. Also maybe just not do another goddamn Dark Phoenix story period.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:58:16 PM

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#114900: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:55:23 PM

[up]On the other hand the X movies pretty much solidified mystique as hero, so go bad as bad girl could feel odd.

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