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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114826: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:57:56 PM

No, there wouldn't, because under U.S. law, any creative works commissioned by the Federal government, or created by Federal employees in the course of their duties, automatically enter the public domain.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114827: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:01:09 PM

Who's to say the MCU wouldn't just ignore that to create better drama? Its not a law most of the audience would be aware of.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2020 at 5:05:15 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114828: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:02:50 PM

There is an argument to be made that the United States of America owns the right to the name Captain America
Except for the fact that South America and Central America exist. (Also, North America is larger than the United States.)

In the comics, it was more the fact that the Federal Government decided to pay all of the back wages for Steve Rogers and then demanded that he work for them and do what they want. He ended up refusing the wages and then discarded the name. He later took the name back.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 21st 2020 at 5:04:40 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114829: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:22:53 PM

The idea is a pretty simple one. They want a replacement that operates under their complete control, and as such, with a void to fill, they decide to fill it with someone they believed to be loyal. Essentially a more PR friendly Captain.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114830: Jan 21st 2020 at 6:07:03 PM

Except for the fact that South America and Central America exist. (Also, North America is larger than the United States.)

That really doesn't factor into it. It's that the Captain America identity was conceived while Steve was acting as an official member of the U.S. military, and using equipment and weaponry created by the government. That's the rationale used in the comics and I imagine will be what they use here too, since The First Avenger shows "Captain America" to initially be a propaganda identity that the government concocted.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114831: Jan 21st 2020 at 8:39:51 PM

Yes, I know, I was saying that merely using the word "America" doesn't mean that the US Government owns it.

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#114832: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:07:59 PM

....

I want Marvel Comics to create an actual Night Monkey character.

Might as well milk that one.

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#114833: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:17:06 PM

There's a Hit-Monkey and he works at night, some of the times.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114834: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:49:14 PM

Hit-Monkey in the MCU would be awesome. I really wanted him to be in Deadpool 2.

Is he still getting that tv show?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2020 at 9:49:28 AM

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#114835: Jan 21st 2020 at 10:07:12 PM

Except for the fact that South America and Central America exist. (Also, North America is larger than the United States.)

Which is a totally pedantic argument. We all know what the America in Captain America means.

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#114836: Jan 21st 2020 at 10:20:06 PM

More to the point, in-universe Captain America is the product of a USA funded military project, his uniforms are USA military property, his propaganda films were funded by a USA Senator, his original iconic shield was also made on the USA's dime...

Edited by M84 on Jan 22nd 2020 at 2:20:26 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114837: Jan 21st 2020 at 11:16:03 PM

Which is a totally pedantic argument. We all know what the America in Captain America means.
The whole basis of your argument is pedantic: "There is an argument to be made that the United States of America owns the right to the name Captain America, and is therefore within their rights to do as they will their their own brand."

Your reasoning was that because it used the word "America" it was automatically owned by the USA. That's as pedantic as they come, especially since "America" is used for more than just the USA, as I already pointed out. Trying to say that "America only refers to the United States" is silly and almost jingoistic to the point of "Do you think this A stands for France" levels. Even if you didn't mean it that way, that's how it comes across.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114838: Jan 21st 2020 at 11:47:33 PM

I took that more as embellishment of the general argument more simply stated in the original post and [up][up], rather than the actual main argument.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2020 at 11:49:56 AM

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#114839: Jan 21st 2020 at 11:59:39 PM

Besides, when most people hear "America", they think of the USA country, not either continent.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#114840: Jan 22nd 2020 at 12:23:31 AM

They were saying Captain America, the idea, was created by the United States government, therefore Captain America, the person, is who they say it is.

Like saying if MI 6 decommissioned James Bond and instituted someone else as Agent 007.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114841: Jan 22nd 2020 at 1:38:29 AM

They can commission someone else as Captain America/007, but they can't stop someone else from referring to themselves as Captain America/007.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#114842: Jan 22nd 2020 at 7:43:17 AM

There is also debate about who owns the original shield. Per First Avenger it was a prototype/experiment that Howard made to play with the Vibranium he had on hand and wasn't part of the Commissioned set of Shields that Howard made for Steve.

Steve took a shine to *that* shield rather than the actual ones the Army/SSR ordered/paid for. So the argument could be made...and one Tony mostly likely DID make to Ross post Civil War...that the Shield was NOT US Army property but a personal gift from Howard to Steve ergo if Steve no longer wanted it...Tony would be the rightful owner as Howard made the thing.

That's also considering if Tony ever let Ross know he had the Shield during the time between Civil War and Endgame. My guess is "No."

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#114843: Jan 22nd 2020 at 8:05:18 AM

So would that mean the reason Sam's not Captain America is because the US government told him he couldn't?

... Yeah. Yeah, I can see the government doing that.

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#114844: Jan 22nd 2020 at 8:08:26 AM

I can also see Sam saying "did you know what Captain America did when the government told him not to do something?"

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#114845: Jan 22nd 2020 at 8:12:38 AM

"like a good american citizen he did like he was told?"

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114846: Jan 22nd 2020 at 9:57:01 AM

For those still discussing the Cap name/costume thing, here's how it's presented in the original story.

Edited by comicwriter on Jan 22nd 2020 at 10:10:22 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#114847: Jan 22nd 2020 at 5:10:26 PM

I don't know why but this part of the Black Widow trailer just... electrifies me.

Baaa-naaaaaaaaaaauurn-naaah-naaaaern! -Red Star flexes-

And it's not that it's just... the door gets blasted, he flexes, squeezes on the helmet. It's like "f-ck yeah i'm back" The same "riff" happens here and when Widow is walking into the movie's logo.

Edited by Soble on Jan 22nd 2020 at 5:23:13 AM

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#114848: Jan 22nd 2020 at 5:19:20 PM

I like that baaa-naaaaaaaaaaauurn-naaah-naaaaern music

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114849: Jan 22nd 2020 at 6:04:11 PM

Marvel is looking for a new director for Captain Marvel 2.

Marvel has tapped rising scribe Megan Mc Donnell, a staff writer on the company’s Marvel-based series, Wanda Vision, to pen a script for a follow-up to the 2019 movie that starred Brie Larson and Samuel L. Jackson. Mc Donnell is in final negotiations to seal her deal.

Sources say that Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, who co-wrote and directed the initial 2019 hit, will not return to helm the sequel but are in talks to remain in the Marvel Universe and direct a possible Disney+ series. Marvel is hoping to find a female filmmaker for Captain 2 and is eyeing a potential release in 2022.

Details of any high-flying take were not revealed but the new story will move the setting from the 1990s of the first movie to the present day.

Marvel had no comment.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#114850: Jan 22nd 2020 at 6:07:42 PM

If they do, hopefully it's a singular female director.


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