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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114776: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:14:51 AM

The origins of mutants, in every continuity, is that while they've existed since ancient times, it's only in recent years that they started turning up in large numbers that make their existence impossible to hide from the public. Sometimes there's an explanation for the sudden surge in the mutant population (fallout from atomic tests was the original explanation in the comics), while in others it's never addressed, but it's always been the case whether you're talking about comics, movies, or animated series. Why should it be any different in the MCU?

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#114777: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:19:43 AM

That's not every continuity. Ultimate Marvel started out saying that, but then had the startling reveal that mutants were actually invented by the Weapon X program. They were one of the numerous efforts to replicate Captain America.

IIRC, this reveal was what led to Magneto going full omnicidal maniac and attempting to murder the world. Because the Ultimate Universe runs on edgelordy grimdarky edgedarky grimlordness.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 20th 2020 at 11:22:18 AM

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#114778: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:23:02 AM

By my reckoning the reveal what was caused him to stop destroying the world as he realizes the error of his ways.

But otherwise, yes, grimdark to the fuckin' gills.

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#114779: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:41:56 AM

Yes learning that he wasn’t actually The Next Stage Of Human Evolution broke his resolve and maybe brain

Because after that he insists Xavier will help him despite being the one who killed Xavier

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#114780: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:59:33 AM

And then Cyclops blew Magneto's head off as he was sobbing on the ground.

I think we can be relieved the MCU won't go down that route with the X-Men.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114781: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:11:01 AM

We may not be seeing them in The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, but Madripoor is a big part of mutant lore.

Huge is overstating it. Or more accurately, it's a huge part of Wolverine lore, perhaps. But yes, they do seem to be planting the seeds.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114782: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:32:07 AM

I'm surprised the Ultimate line didn't try to say Thor was just a super-soldier experiment with delusions of godhood.

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#114783: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:34:22 AM

Weeeeeellllllllllll

They did.

But it was proven to be a lie by Loki in the same story

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114784: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:36:33 AM

With Thor they deliberately kept it ambiguous for a while whether he was a god or just an insane guy with some advanced tech before ultimately confirming yes, he was indeed a god.

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#114785: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:47:44 AM

I actually liked the ambiguity better than the confirmation. The back and forth "Is he/Isn't he" was fun.

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#114786: Jan 20th 2020 at 5:28:53 PM

I don't think there needs to be much of an explanation. After all, the MCU never felt the need to explain why SHIELD was this new thing nobody had heard of back in Iron Man when in later movies they've been around for decades with a huge headquarters in Washington, so I don't see why they'd suddenly become invested in retroactive continuity housekeeping now.

However, if there is an explanation, it still shouldn't be some complicated Infinity Stone Mass Super-Empowering Event like a lot of people have been speculating. Remember, in the comics mutants started as being rare enough that the discovery of one would set off a race between the X-Men and Brotherhood to recruit them. It wasn't until Grant Morrison's run on the comics that there was a "mutant baby boom" that made mutant more widespreadnote , so maybe the MCU mutants could be a similar situation?

Like mutants have always been around, but up until now they've just been rare enough that they're usually mistaken for any other kind of superhuman, but relatively recently to the film's events, the "mutant baby boom" has just started hitting puberty, and people start to realise that too many young people are spontaneously displaying superpowers for them all to be aliens or lab accidents or whatever.

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#114787: Jan 20th 2020 at 5:52:15 PM

I think Genosha may have been the tipping point

Or maybe the Morlocks

Point is in the course of things the comics kept introducing more and more groups of mutants

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#114788: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:25:50 PM

Ultimate Magneto was actually kinda interesting in my opinion.

He was basically the original Lee/Kirby vision unleashed. No tragic Anti-Villain ala Claremont, but a vile, hateful suprematist with absolutely god-like powers and a willingness to use them for terrifying results.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114789: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:59:37 PM

https://mcucosmic.com/2020/01/20/speculation-enchantress-might-be-appearing-in-loki/

"They’re looking for a female who portrays Caucasian between 5’6″ and 5’8″ with BLONDE hair. They were very specific to specify the blonde hair. The other is an African American female a bit taller between 5’7″ to 5’9″."

I have the theory that the second woman is to play Verity.

If the villain is Amora, I hope they give her a better motivation, than just being friendzoned by Thor.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#114790: Jan 20th 2020 at 7:31:39 PM

I also hope they avoid the Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male aspects that were present with Enchantress's sister Lorelei in AOS.

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#114791: Jan 20th 2020 at 7:46:20 PM

I hope they avoid the Femme Fatale and Woman Scorned portrayal of Amora. That would be a huge step back from Hela.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114792: Jan 20th 2020 at 7:46:57 PM

[up][up]It may be that one of Amora's rules is not having sex with a hypnotized person.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 20th 2020 at 7:47:41 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#114793: Jan 20th 2020 at 7:55:50 PM

So, how much you want to bet they're going to avoid calling Amora "the Enchantress" because of Suicide Squad (2016)?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 20th 2020 at 10:58:20 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#114794: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:03:29 PM

If they're trying to move away from her Femme Fatale aspects, considering how easily it lapses into sexist stereotypes, it may be to their benefit to just leave her as Amora.

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#114795: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:46:24 PM

They could also avoid calling her that because of Beauty and the Beast.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114796: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:21:34 PM

If the villain is Amora, I hope they give her a better motivation, than just being friendzoned by Thor.

Thor's not going to be in the show iirc, so that shouldn't be a problem.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114797: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:44:21 PM

He can be mentioned, even if he does not appear.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114798: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:23:46 PM

Maybe, but he's not going to be the crux of a major character's entire motivation if he's not showing up in person.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 20th 2020 at 10:26:06 AM

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