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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114751: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:09:44 AM

[up]That’s just good advice in general.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#114752: Jan 18th 2020 at 9:46:38 PM

So, I'm watching Far From Home again, and while it feels like something that was probably mentioned back when the movie first came out, I finally remembered that the thing that makes Beck such a threat in this movie was also introduced in the same film as Peter.

How far back do you think they planned this? Especially since the thing with Sony lending out Spidey happened kinda while Civil War was a thing...I think. It's hard to remember.

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#114753: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:15:42 PM

I don't think it was planned that far ahead. They probably needed a way to explain Mysterio's illusions and the BARF technology gave them an easy way to integrate that into the story.

It saves time explaining on where Beck got his tech, and it ties into the greater MCU. It's just the creative team using the resources already available to them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114754: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:34:28 PM

It saddens me that we have yet to see Ant-Man do this:

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114755: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:47:06 PM

He kill Cull Obsidian, who was probably stronger.

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#114756: Jan 18th 2020 at 10:54:58 PM

So, I decided to look up Cull Obsidion vs Abomination (just their MCU versions), and it's actually a pretty heated debate.

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#114757: Jan 18th 2020 at 11:14:14 PM

I also wish that GiAnt-Man got to punt someone but growing really big and punching a space snake is pretty great

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#114758: Jan 19th 2020 at 6:18:04 AM

> Cull Obsidion vs Abomination

If Hulk could beat Obsidion then so could Abomination,least thats my logic

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#114759: Jan 19th 2020 at 6:25:46 AM

Theoretically yes, though it depends how strong/angry Hulk was when he did it. IIRC Abomination has a higher Base level of strength but Hulk has a higher peak once he's grumpy enough.

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#114760: Jan 19th 2020 at 6:30:11 AM

Hulk is the only superhero I know of who could get a power up from stubbing his toe

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#114761: Jan 19th 2020 at 7:06:55 AM

What about Sebastian Shaw amnesia version?

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#114762: Jan 19th 2020 at 8:35:53 AM

[up]*4.

It is noteworthy that there is a huge difference between the 2008 Hulk and the 2018 Hulk.

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#114763: Jan 19th 2020 at 4:01:53 PM

Hulk never actually 1v1'd Cull. Bruce in the Hulkbuster did.

Abomination would probably get bodied by Thanos though, going by the "X beat Y and Y beat Z, therefore X would beat Z, this ain't rock-paper-scissors here" logic.

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#114764: Jan 19th 2020 at 4:13:21 PM

Abomination might be a better fighter than Hulk.

I mean, he's trained military, and even if he got outpoured, he'd have the brains to use that skill...in theory.

In practice, he probably just fights like a thug most of the time due the obvious power high from his transformation.

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#114765: Jan 19th 2020 at 4:28:20 PM

I hope we see Abomination and Leader return in She-Hulk.

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#114766: Jan 19th 2020 at 5:05:16 PM

Abomination has had one fight with the Hulk, which he lost. That's only one data point, so it's not enough to conclusively say that the Hulk is a superior fighter to Abomination. But it's not exactly compelling evidence of Abomination being a superior fighter to Hulk.

That said, I do hope we see Abomination again in She-Hulk's show. See, the thing is, he's in cryostasis. That was the last we heard of him. He's not even in prison; S.H.I.E.L.D. made him into Sealed Evil in a Can. That's not a resolution.

The Cinemasins guy said something once that I now think of whenever I think of situations like this: just once, I want to see the guys sealing away the evil going, "And, done! You're the FUTURE'S problem now, asshole!"

Because that's what Abomination is. You can't just keep the guy frozen forever. Logistically speaking, if he doesn't get free tomorrow, then he'll do it in a week, or a month, or a year, or a thousand years from now. By sheer probability, so long as he exists, some day he'll wake up. And he ain't gettin' any younger in that ice.

Ask Steve Rogers. He can testify to this. "Frozen in ice" is not a solution. It's a bid for time, with no clear idea of what they're actually planning on doing with the time that cryostasis affords them. And it's especially not a solution when the people in charge of the iceberg are branded terrorists and forcibly disbanded a few years later.

It was a weird writing decision to say that Blonsky's in cryostasis, rather than just say that S.H.I.E.L.D. has a super-prison. If I were writing it, I'd have said that Blonsky's not in cryo and, instead, that the Hulk Prison cell from Avengers 1 was based on the cell they're using to contain him. That closes out the character. He's alive, so he can be brought back if a writer wants to, but if nobody ever brings him back, we can just assume he lived out the rest of his days in his Hulk Cell.

But they established cryo, which means at some point he has to be let out of cryo so that an actual resolution can be delivered.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 19th 2020 at 6:08:11 AM

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#114767: Jan 19th 2020 at 5:07:33 PM

Presumably, they're waiting until the space program has built a rocket capable of sending someone into the sun.

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#114768: Jan 19th 2020 at 5:13:29 PM

He's Demolition Man's problem

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#114769: Jan 19th 2020 at 5:15:43 PM

Abomination has stayed locked up because of a sturdy cell made out of movie unpopularity and legal issues with Universal. tongue

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#114770: Jan 19th 2020 at 6:05:13 PM

Technically, he's not getting any older.

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#114771: Jan 19th 2020 at 7:14:16 PM

[up][up][up]"PHOENIX— I mean, Blonsky!"

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jan 19th 2020 at 10:16:44 AM

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#114772: Jan 19th 2020 at 7:23:37 PM

Cull also didn't have his weapon when he fought Hulk in Wakanda, and to be honest, he got far more use out of his weapon than Proxima did. I'd say he had the second best showing of the Black Order, after Ebony "Voldemort" Maw.

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#114773: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:03:09 AM

Patrick Stewart reveals he had some talks with Kevin Feige a few months back...

In theory, Stewart would've been up for being Xavier in the MCU, but since Logan was a send-off for him as much as it was for Hugh Jackman, it's way less likely to happen...

Speaking of Logan, I wonder if Marvel is waiting on Dafne Keen to be of age to introduce her as MCU!X-23... Probably not, but it's a thought.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#114774: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:25:44 AM

Too bad. I really love Patrick Stewart, would have loved to see him in the MCU (as Xavier or anybody else). I'd totally like to see Dafne Keen again too.

I really do wonder how they will integrate the X-Men into the MCU. Whether it will be on the line of "hey look, there were these mutants running around since half a century, but so far nobody had ever heard about them because they are that good at hiding", or will they get a brand new origin story (for instance, that Thanos destroying the stones released some kind of energy that made mutations possible, or that people are evolving to adapt to the age of superheroes, or even that the Krees made some experiments on humans a long time ago like the Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD). Unless they go the Spiderman route and consider that the Fox X-Men are either canon, or that everybody in the audience already knows about them and they don't need an origin story (but then there is the Maskerade issue).

Edited by C105 on Jan 20th 2020 at 3:26:14 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#114775: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:33:35 AM

Well, we know Marvel Studios isn't wasting time planting the seeds for the mutants.

We may not be seeing them in The Falcon & the Winter Soldier, but Madripoor is a big part of mutant lore.

Plus, the Eternals are (at least partly) the reason why mutants are a thing and we're due for a movie on them later this year, so I'd be surprised if we didn't get mutant foreshadowing there.


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