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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114502: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:27:02 PM

That Ultimate story arc was such wasted effort

There’s a massive gang war, a group of vigilante heroes gets put together, Spider-Man mocks most of them as assholes because how dare they do what he do, there’s a two page spread that is basically the entire fight, Spider-Man webs them all up and leaves them all for the police

What was even the point? The gang war got all of one decompressed arc to be a thing in so never felt like a big issue and the assembled not-Peters never do much either

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:28:31 AM

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#114503: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:37:18 PM

Wasn't Moon Knight the reason Fisk got arrested?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114504: Jan 11th 2020 at 5:55:08 PM

Different arc but yes

Another gathering of heroes that felt pointless and did nothing

Fisk has Moon Knight shot and thrown into a river and Moon Knight survives unmasks and accuses Fisk of having him shot

For some reason this actually works and Fisk gets arrested. Even though the big thing about Fisk was that the system was corrupt and police were in his pocket.

Sometimes Ultimate Spider-Man fell flat as hell and whenever the cast slightly ballooned were some of those times.

The decompressed style put a stranglehold on the pace of the story and all arcs were set to trade lengths

Not to mention that neither Spider Man nor the narrative ever felt like they had anything but resentment for having to put up with guest stars

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:56:34 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114505: Jan 11th 2020 at 6:03:58 PM

You'd think a ballooning cast with lots of guest stars would help with the writing-for-the-trade thing, since at least then there are more characters doing different stuff to fill out six issues.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114506: Jan 11th 2020 at 6:14:31 PM

Bear in mind how much space action scenes take up in decompression

And conversations were often a hundred speech bubbles over a two page spread

Bendis didn’t have a problem filling up page space

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114507: Jan 11th 2020 at 6:45:37 PM

Start caring.

I'll be honest, it'd take a really good show to get me to do that this late in the game. But it seemed like the show would be pulling from the Fraction stuff, so maybe it'll accomplish that. Who knows.

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#114508: Jan 11th 2020 at 7:46:38 PM

“Start caring”

[[FAILED]] About who? Hawkeye? You mean the black flying dude?

I’ve been playing Fallout.

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#114509: Jan 11th 2020 at 7:54:00 PM

Clint and Kate's show is definitely the weakest link for me among the Disney+ shows. May have droned on about it before. Then again, it shares space with Falcon/Winter Soldier, Wanda Vision (which I didn't think I'd be that interested in but now I think it's really shaping up to be something cool and freaky) and What If.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114510: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:11:58 PM

I'm interested to see how they handle Sharon Carter since the universe kinda just forgot about her.

I just realized the Shang-Chi delay is probably due to the horrible fires in Australia right now. I wonder if they're gonna move filming locations because of that.

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#114511: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:19:48 PM

I said it before I will say it again. I started to like Clint in Ultron, but then Endgame ruined him for me by trying to make him all dark and edgy. I mean let's give an interesting set up for something never done in the MCU at time by giving him family. And then let's ruin by giving him one of the most cliche arcs for superhero movies ever. And since the show is supposed to explore that time as well. I am not very excited for. I had never even heard of Kate before the announcement.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 11th 2020 at 10:21:49 AM

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Role Model
#114512: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:44:15 PM

Every now and then I rewatch the Falcon and the others returning. The audience reactions to that "on your left" still brings a tear and a smile to my face, especially when I'm feeling down, or when some other fandoms are toxic, bigoted, or entitled.

I wonder... Could Sam Wilson wield Thor's hammer? The MCU version especially. He notably exited the scene in Age of Ultron before they did the contest. I don't think the comics version has ever tried recently. He has been kissed by Jane!Thor, though...

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#114513: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:50:49 PM

[up][up]I agree, Hawkeye's family is what makes him interesting, I want to see family man Hawkeye, I'm not super interested in edgy loner Hawkeye, regardless of how "comic-accurate" he is.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114514: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:52:10 PM

That’s actually not comic-Hawkeye.

He’s more sad jokester than edgy loner.

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#114515: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:53:37 PM

Ultimate Hawkeye post Ultimates 2 though

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#114516: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:54:21 PM

" I mean let's give an interesting set up for something never done in the MCU at time by giving him family. And then let's ruin by giving him one of the most cliche arcs for superhero movies ever. "

And yet you will be surprise on how many want haweye to die because he look like the expendale chararter and the easy one to die.

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#114517: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:54:52 PM

I like MCU Hawkeye's role as the responsible Team Dad, and while it's not the same as his comic character, I don't think he should have been derailed to make him more like his comic counterpart.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114518: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:55:17 PM

[up][up][up] And that’s an issue.

Don’t use stuff from the Ultimates.

[up] Ultimate counterpart. Comic-Hawkeye is a lot more fun than all of film-Hawkeye’s styles.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:55:59 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114519: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:55:43 PM

Don’t have to tell me twice

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#114520: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:56:40 PM

[up][up] Aw, you're making Samuel L. Jackson cry. sad

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114521: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:57:19 PM

[up] Okay correction.

Don’t use most of the Ultimates.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114522: Jan 11th 2020 at 8:59:47 PM

Samuel L Jackson‘s casting wasn’t inspired by Ultimates, it was an obligation for use of his likeness

So it coooool

Seriously though, MCU uses a lot of Ultomates stuff. Triskelion, the idea of the team starting off as working for SHIELD, the use of the Chitauri

But usually the MCU took the good stuff and left behind the 13 year old’s idea of edginess

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114523: Jan 11th 2020 at 9:15:12 PM

And since the show is supposed to explore that time as well. I am not very excited for.
But...it isn't? I mean, it isn't supposed to explore that time period since it will clearly take place after Endgame. When Clint's family is alive again and he's presumably trying to stay with them and be retired.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114524: Jan 12th 2020 at 8:08:38 AM

There's good stuff in the Ultimate Universe, just not a lot where Hawkeye is concerned. That's why the series seemingly having a Fraction-inspired take was one of the things that actually interested me in it.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#114525: Jan 12th 2020 at 8:10:26 AM

I personally think the only good Ultimate things are Miles, a less assholish JJJ, and black Nick Fury.

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