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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114476: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:15:24 PM

Shame on you for forgetting Lunella

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114477: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:16:46 PM

I prefer Moon-Boy with his devil Dino

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 10th 2020 at 1:19:28 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114478: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:23:51 PM

...though Daisy isn't an Inhuman in the comics so....
She is, actually, but didn't need Terrigenesis to get her powers, since her father had been experimenting on himself for a while. But her mother was an Inhuman.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114479: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:27:10 PM

OH.

I thought the show made that up. I know her dad really is Mr. Hyde / Calvin Zabo, but I had no clue her mom really was Inhuman....who is she?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#114480: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:27:11 PM

I figured the budget for Inhumans was so low because Feige was stuck doing it as an obligation to Perlmutter but didn't want to invest much into it. Hence why he got Scott Buck in the first place, because the man could be counted on to deliver a functional product that passed compliance with a low budget, subjective quality be damned. A glorified Ashcan Copy, in other words.

I suspect this was also the case with the first season of Iron Fist; they needed to squeeze something out before The Defenders landed but didn't or couldn't invest the same amount of effort as with the other three shows, so they just tossed it onto Scott Buck's shoulders so they had something to work with by then.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#114481: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:28:44 PM

For a while, being Inhuman took the place of being a mutant as the on hand origin for characters. Of course, it's awkward now that they flopped that badly.

Wake me up at your own risk.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114482: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:30:15 PM

Did Feige have any involvement in Inhumans? I thought Marvel TV and the film division were mostly separate, barring Agent Carter (which is probably why Jarvis is the only character from the TV shows to actually appear in the films so far).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114483: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:31:29 PM

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That was a stupid idea...

...though ironically the Mutants are now becoming a nation like the Inhumans and it's working for them.

Hell, Cyclops is even on their old stomping grounds on the blue area of the moon. The ultimate Take That! if you will.

But it goes to show the Mutants just have a better concept...shame they keep getting massacred by humanity. The new Hickman run is dealing with that, but by making them decided to get their own black jacks and hookers...

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 10th 2020 at 6:31:47 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114484: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:34:38 PM

I thought the show made that up. I know her dad really is Mr. Hyde / Calvin Zabo, but I had no clue her mom really was Inhuman....who is she?
The reveal of her mother being an Inhuman took place after she appeared on AOS, so it was clearly a retcon, but it didn't contradict anything. Her mother was Jennifer Johnson, who was revealed posthumously to have Inhuman DNA.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#114485: Jan 10th 2020 at 7:10:57 PM

[up][up]I've mentioned it before, but the ultimate irony could be that they effectively drop a terragin-bomb equivalent in the MCU in order to get the mutant population up.

My general sentiment is that the way to integrate mutants into the MCU is to have them historically existent, but extremely rare. In short having the mutant gene only resulted in an absolutely minuscule chance of developing powers. This meant that no one really understood mutants as a distinct category.

But then something happens that causes the mutant population to skyrocket by causing almost everyone with the mutant gene to start manifesting powers. In the comics this was atomic testing, but in the MCU it might be better if it was something a bit more recent...effectively making it a terragin bomb analogue.

The reason why this works is that it's the only way to have a big modern mutant population and have historical mutants when it's exceptionally relevant to the character (ie Wolverine, Magneto), while at the same time explain why no one has ever mentioned them before.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#114486: Jan 11th 2020 at 12:35:30 PM

Bad news, true believers:

On the upside, Ms. Marvel is still due for filming this April and casting is going on for Moon Knight and She-Hulk, so don't fret!

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#114487: Jan 11th 2020 at 1:00:26 PM

Do we have any names attached to Moon Knight yet?

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#114488: Jan 11th 2020 at 1:22:58 PM

Man, Marvel's been having kind of a rough week, hasn't it? They lost a director, had to post-pone one of their shows, and delay shooting on another film because all of Australia is on fire!

I guess that's positive of having so many projects on the back-burner (poor choice of words, I know). If one goes awry, you always have at least one other you can bump up the schedule.

But seriously, it's terrible what's going on in Australia.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#114489: Jan 11th 2020 at 2:21:15 PM

Do we have any names attached to Moon Knight yet?

Just Jeremy Slater as writer and showrunner. Nothing beyond that.

In terms of cast, I recall reading Andrew Garfield and Daniel Radcliffe as potential candidates for Moon Knight.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#114490: Jan 11th 2020 at 2:22:46 PM

Would be fun to have Andrew Garfield in the MCU.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114491: Jan 11th 2020 at 3:54:54 PM

There was also a rumor that Pedro Pascal was in the running, which means that if he was cast, he would have two Disney+ shows with him in the lead. He could show his face more in Moon Knight, though.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114492: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:01:02 PM

They’re all good choices, but a sentimental part of me is leaning towards Garfield.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114493: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:03:23 PM

Garfield is Jewish and it would be quite interesting to see him go from Spider-Man to Moon Knight (two superheroes who generally don't get along that well). And, I mean, if we get a Secret Avengers film, we could even see Moon Knight fighting alongside Spider-Man.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 11th 2020 at 4:06:15 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114494: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:18:34 PM

Has it been said that Moon Knight and Spidey don't get along?

Now that I think about it, while they are both Street Level, I don't recall any stories with them working together.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114495: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:25:55 PM

Not bummed about Hawkeye being delayed since I don't really care about the MCU version of the character. Still, sucks about Kate.

Mockingbird has a solution.

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#114496: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:29:00 PM

I can't believe Clint Barton fell into Vormir all the way from Earth and now it's a Katehawk and Mock show now.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114497: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:29:16 PM

Start caring.

I swear it's a miracle Marvel haven't thrown him under the bus considering how most talk about him starts with who cares about MCU Hawkeye.

Swear to god, Clint deserves more respect than he gets from all sides.

....but I am down for more Mockingbird, I'll admit. Maybe get that Most Wanted series that got destroyed before it could even try anything.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114498: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:31:34 PM

Dammit, I want a Mockingbird series stat. I really hope she shows up in the last season of Agents of SHIELD because, well, it's the last season.

Has it been said that Moon Knight and Spidey don't get along?
From Ultimate Spider-Man. They also interacted in the old Marc Spector: Moon Knight series and Web of Spider-Man had a crossover issue. Moon Knight generally doesn't like how jokey Spider-Man is.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114500: Jan 11th 2020 at 4:35:20 PM

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Well I think everyone was an asshole in Ultimate Marvel except for Peter, so not surprised they didn't see eye to eye there.

As for the second point for 616, that seems to go for most people these days.

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