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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114451: Jan 10th 2020 at 6:38:14 AM

Still not fun to hear.

I mean Ant-Man had reshoots and turned out fine, but it’s still annoying to hear.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114452: Jan 10th 2020 at 8:40:00 AM

Ant-Man is a different story; Edgar Wright had worked on it for years and, finally, gave it up when he couldn't fit it in with what Feige and the Marvel producers wanted.

I don't know how long Derrickson has been working on Doctor Strange 2 or what exactly the creative differences were, but the split was amicable enough that he's staying as an EP.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#114453: Jan 10th 2020 at 11:03:39 AM

So...if Scott's out as director but staying as EP and it seems they found a new guy already, how soon should we expect to know who the new director is?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114454: Jan 10th 2020 at 11:11:45 AM

I'd say a few weeks, a month at most. Marvel probably has a list of backup directors, just in case.

I really would love it if Mike Flanagan directed it, though.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 10th 2020 at 11:12:32 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#114455: Jan 10th 2020 at 1:31:00 PM

Add to the Antman mess it was Perlmutter and the Creative Committee that was the problem there, those where the guys Wright was butting heads with. It was one of the early signs that led to Feige taking the movies to Disney and out of Perlmutter's hands.

Feige didn't have full control over everything until post Civil War.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#114456: Jan 10th 2020 at 1:32:23 PM

What if Ike remained in charge?

Just Makima.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#114457: Jan 10th 2020 at 1:36:38 PM

Bad times

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#114458: Jan 10th 2020 at 1:52:44 PM

I recall Perlmutter was the one who was against giving Black Panther and Captain Marvel their own movies. I think he still had a say on Civil War before he was kicked upstairs, so we may have eventually gotten a film with T'Challa. But I think a lot of the more diverse films in the works for Phase Four probably wouldn't have happened under his watch.

Also the Inhumans were his personal pet project, so we would've gotten a big-budget film with them in the lead up to Infinity War.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jan 10th 2020 at 4:53:49 AM

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#114459: Jan 10th 2020 at 3:49:01 PM

New Mutants is a part of the MCU or the lady writing this Disney-paid newsletter was misinformed.

https://d23.com/?sperpage

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#114461: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:03:34 PM

Seems likely, but who knows, maybe they will add a stinger hinting at a MCU connection like they did in Hulk. Then again, I'd be surprised if the mutants were introduced in such a back-handed way.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#114462: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:05:19 PM

We only got Captain Marvel and Black Panther green lit because Feige agreed to put Inhumans on the slate. Once he got out from under Perlmutter the project was dropped due to not having the right place for them or the right team.

Ike wasn't having that and bull rushed the IMAX 'film' pilot and series into production on the cheap. And we saw how that ended.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114463: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:07:58 PM

An Inhumans movie would have bombed horribly I imagine,the first real proper dud for them

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#114464: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:14:55 PM

Imagine them trying to find a way to squeeze the Inhumans into Infinity War and Endgame.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#114465: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:22:08 PM

I heard rumors (rumors mind you) that the original plan was for the Soul Stone to be introduced in the Inhumans film, where it'd be on Attilan. Infinity War would then feature a scene where either Thanos or the Black Order fight the Inhumans and collect the stone.

Not sure how accurate this rumor is, and it could just be pointless speculation on what could've been from a fan. But that really would've changed how a lot of moments in Infinity War would've played out.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114466: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:33:17 PM

We'd have less dead Gamoras and Black Widows for one thing.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114467: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:34:27 PM

Eh they would have killed off someone else some other way.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114468: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:36:51 PM

> We'd have less dead Gamoras and Black Widows for one thing.

The trade off is dead inhumans everywhere,worth it!

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#114469: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:41:01 PM

So long as Lockjaw lives. Then yes it's worth it.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 10th 2020 at 6:41:35 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#114470: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:43:55 PM

Eh, Daisy Johnson is fine after all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114471: Jan 10th 2020 at 4:55:40 PM

An Inhumans movie would have bombed horribly I imagine,the first real proper dud for them
People said that about Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man, as well. And yet, no bombs so far. I highly doubt that if Marvel Studios had made the Inhumans movie it would have bombed. In fact, they are making a somewhat similar movie right now called Eternals.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#114472: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:09:20 PM

The main reason Inhumans is bad, from my understanding, is the terrible direction of Scott Buck and Perlmutter basically wanting an x-men counterpart for the mcu, but he didn't give it any kind of substantial time or budget to be made. I doubt if Inhumans was a movie it would be made under those conditions.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jan 10th 2020 at 9:17:09 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#114473: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:12:01 PM

I recall Perlmutter had a reputation for being a penny-pincher, hence why the show's budget was so low.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114474: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:12:53 PM

Daisy, Lockjaw and Kamala are the only Inhumans we need...

...though Daisy isn't an Inhuman in the comics so....

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#114475: Jan 10th 2020 at 5:13:28 PM

Not to mention that the idea of a movie got scrapped and the show was rushing for scraps so they could use the IP.

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