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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#114251: Jan 5th 2020 at 11:12:17 AM

Angry military guy shooting every other criminal he runs into while being too angry to die.

The issue is when the writers glorify him.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114252: Jan 5th 2020 at 11:32:46 AM

I'd note, all the Mighty Whitey controversy surrounding Danny Rand/Iron Fist kinda goes out the window if he's no longer the star of the show/movie, but instead a supporting character in an Asian character's story. If Danny were made the Rhodey to Shang-Chi's Tony Stark ...

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114253: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:11:56 PM

[up]What’s Shang Chi’s origin going to be? Son of totally not Fu Manchu or Kun Lung exile?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#114254: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:22:00 PM

I think the funniest thing about the Netflix Punisher show is that in both seasons, Frank is basically a Fairy Godmother who suddenly shows up in some down-on-their-luck innocent person's life and magically fixes all their woes.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114256: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:44:00 PM

He's a Murder Godfather. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#114257: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:44:26 PM

Now I'm just imagining the Punisher wearing the Fairy Godmother's dress in a bizarre Disney+ commercial.

The legend has returned.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114259: Jan 5th 2020 at 1:03:05 PM

The only way make Frank Castle go away is to say three times

"I don't believe in Castle doctrine!"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114260: Jan 5th 2020 at 2:44:34 PM

I honestly have no problem with Iron Fist being white (particularly once we start getting actual Asian superheroes). My major problem with Finn Jones was that the guy clearly didn't have a martial arts background, and it showed.

In the movies, that's not as much of a problem since a lot of things can be done to mask the presence of a stunt performer, especially with CGI and creative lighting. But in Iron Fist the budget was low and the fight choreography already wasn't all that great, so you had a lot of very awkward and very obvious camera cuts to try and work around the fact that our supposed kung-fu master could not fight very fast or very well.

I know Simu Liu has a background in stunts, so hopefully this is less of an issue in the film (and of course, like I said, worst case scenario, the movies have an actual budget to cheat a little).

Edited by comicwriter on Jan 5th 2020 at 2:47:12 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114261: Jan 5th 2020 at 3:06:10 PM

But in Iron Fist the budget was low and the fight choreography already wasn't all that great
It became much better in Season 2.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#114262: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:17:04 PM

Who's the villain of Shang Chi going to be? I don't know much of anything about the character.

Kaze ni Nare!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#114263: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:17:26 PM

The Mandarin, for reals this time.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114264: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:27:52 PM

The Mandarin will be taking the place of Shang Chi's father, who, in the comics, started out as Fu Manchu. You can probably see why they changed that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114265: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:29:03 PM

It’s gonna be interesting how they adapt Mandy’s powers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#114266: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:46:16 PM

Going by how the MCU has been doing things recently, I'm betting he just straight-up has the Ten Rings, and the final battle is going to be Shang-Chi the Lightning Bruiser vs Mandarin the Kung-Fu Wizard.

In the comics the ten rings' powers are:

  1. Manipulate the molecular structure of matter.

  2. Shoot a beam of concussive force.

  3. Create tornados.

  4. Shoot a beam that disintegrates matter. Has a 20 minute cooldown.

  5. Create an area of darkness.

  6. Uses magnetism to do all sorts of bullshit, such as create blinding flashes of light, make the opponent super heavy, levitate objects, and create illusions. Probably will be limited to only one of these in the film.

  7. Shoot fire.

  8. Create psychic illusions or paralyze the opponent psychically.

  9. Shoot lightning.

  10. Shoot a beam of ice.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114267: Jan 5th 2020 at 4:56:46 PM

Reminds me of how in the comics Thanos had loads of powers even without the stones,and in the films he just had his brute strength

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#114268: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:15:06 PM

I would have liked Daredevil to be a mentor for Spiderman, but that won't happen.

Even if it happened, it would be with another actor and ignoring all the events of the series.

Spider-Man's been to space. He's fought Thanos twice. He has an epansive powerset, a litany of high-tech gadgets, his own version of the Iron Spider suit that he designed himself, and he's even got super-senses that make Matt's look cheap by comparison.

The hell does DareDevil have to teach him?

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114270: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:16:39 PM

Relationship problems.

As in how to make your relationships worse than they already can be.

Starting with by shacking it up with a violent assassin.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#114272: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:18:11 PM

[up][up]Not even just one. Daredevil's been with Elektra and Typhoid Mary.

Edited by M84 on Jan 5th 2020 at 10:18:21 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114273: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:21:02 PM

How to pick your battles- wait, Matt doesn't know how to do that.

How not to get taken in by people who offer you nothing but approval- wait, Matt doesn't know how not to do that either.

Seriously though, overall Peter is an experienced hero but not an especially mature or wise one, constantly blundering over his own rashness and ignorance. He acts more inexperienced than he his.

Buuuut, that's because MCU Spidey is constantly written as "a kid in search of a parental figure," and not as his own person. He's always going to act inexperienced as long at the MCU keeps writing him as wanting/needing a mentor.

So as much as I'd love if they did the "Shang-Chi as Spidey's trainer" bit from the comics, I think he could do with a few movies where he's on his own.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 5th 2020 at 6:21:18 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114274: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:36:18 PM

Heh I just found this video tuning the My Way cover from Team Four Star with Thanos.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#114275: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:41:55 PM

[up][up]

Matt: Listen Peter, there's one very important piece of advice I have for you. Never, ever sleep with a supervillain. No matter how hot. Believe me, it's just setting yourself up for disaster. I should know, I've slept with two supervillains and it's caused me nothing but grief. Sure, you could say that about all of my relationships, but those two were especially bad.

Peter: Okay, got it. No sexy times with supervillains.

<Later after hooking up with Black Cat>

Peter: Matt, I am so, so sorry.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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