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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#114226: Jan 4th 2020 at 8:31:08 PM

And apparently there were rumors of a rebooted Iron Fist in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings?

Would it be a reboot into an actual Asian or Asian-American?

Edit: Oh, hai pagetopper.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 4th 2020 at 8:34:31 AM

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#114227: Jan 4th 2020 at 8:32:06 PM

Pretty sure Marvel isn't allowed to do anything with Iron Fist for two years as part of the arrangement with Netflix, so—

...

That was in 2018.

Shang-Chi is coming out in 2021.

Which is more than two years. Because that's how time works.

...

Huh, never mind. Still think it's just a rumor, though.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 4th 2020 at 9:32:32 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#114228: Jan 4th 2020 at 8:33:06 PM

I'd prefer a Middle Eastern, Latino, Desi, or somesuch other neither European nor East Asian ethnicity for Iron Fist instead.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#114229: Jan 4th 2020 at 8:33:10 PM

It's a rumor.

Everything is still speculatory at this point.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#114230: Jan 4th 2020 at 9:19:40 PM

Yeah. Nobody whites WANTS the previous Danny back.

I mean, people wanted a POC Danny or at least an asian one well before seasons 1 of Iron Fist shit the bed, but still.

He shit the bed so hard, even he recognized it and gave the power to someone who sucked less.

[down] Yikes. I admit as typos go, that one is pretty bad. I'm not even sure how autocorrect did that.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 4th 2020 at 11:14:42 AM

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#114231: Jan 4th 2020 at 9:31:02 PM

[up]"Nobody whites the previous Danny back"? tongue

Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 4th 2020 at 9:33:31 AM

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#114232: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:14:44 AM

I don't want a reboot of the Netflix shows, I want a continuation...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#114233: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:17:49 AM

I want Danny to actually have a good reputation.

How can we have a Heroes for Hire show if him & Luke aren't brothers from other mothers?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#114234: Jan 5th 2020 at 3:12:00 AM

I never had a problem with Finn Jones. Just thought Season 1 of IF was terribly written.

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#114235: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:23:21 AM

And apparently there were rumors of a rebooted Iron Fist in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings?

I'd be willing to bet money Marvel doesn't want Iron Fist anywhere near this movie, regardless of who is playing him.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114236: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:10:14 AM

Yeah, there's no way that Iron Fist is in Shang-Chi. I mean, perhaps as a cameo, maybe, but not as an actual character.

I don't want them to recast anyone from the Netflix shows, not even Finn Jones. He was good with the material they gave him and when they gave him better material (like in Luke Cage Season 2 or Iron Fist Season 2), he was better at it. And I absolutely loved the ending to Iron Fist Season 2 — anyone who dislike the first season has to see the second and see just how well they fixed the show.

No, what I want to see is a return of the characters, but in different ways.

  • Danny and Luke decide to team-up and form Heroes for Hire. I know Mike Colter is currently doing EVIL (which is great), so make it, like, a six-episode mini-series or something.
  • Misty and Colleen team-up and form Daughters of the Dragon, which would be even more awesome.
  • And then give us another season (or half-season, since I think that would be better) of Daredevil with Jessica Jones added to the cast. Krysten Ritter and Charlie Cox had surprisingly great chemistry in Defenders and giving them more screen time together would be great.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 5th 2020 at 9:12:33 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114237: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:18:25 AM

I feel like Danny Rand not being East Asian and being introduced to this culture he’s not part of is what made his interactions with Luke Cage so unique.

Nothing in that sentences means we need a white guy though, FWIW.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 5th 2020 at 12:29:22 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114238: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:24:44 AM

I feel like Danny Chase not being East Asian
Wrong comic book character — Iron Fist is Danny Rand, not Danny Chase.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114239: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:27:09 AM

[up]Whoops.

Also, never let Danny Chase be in anything.

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#114240: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:33:16 AM

I like Danny Chase as a concept

He’s a good contrast to the young adult Titans and he has room to grow

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114241: Jan 5th 2020 at 9:43:42 AM

I feel like Danny Rand not being East Asian and being introduced to this culture he’s not part of is what made his interactions with Luke Cage so unique.

Being introduced to a culture he isn't a part of does not mean Danny cannot be East Asian. Anyone that isn't born in K'un L'un would be a stranger there. It's Asgard but with an Asian aesthetic instead of a European one.

Also, never let Danny Chase be in anything.

Why not? There isn't anything inherently offensive about him unlike Rand.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114242: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:13:38 AM

True.

Chase was done very poorly but as Bocaj said, the concept had great potential.

Though outside of Netflix, I'm pretty sure that Danny is well liked as a character even if he's a Mighty Whitey stereotype.

The two Dannys are kinda opposites in that regard.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#114243: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:17:39 AM

Of course the character is liked.

He's a long-standing enduring character, it's logical for him to actually have fans cause if not then he wouldn't be around.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#114244: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:28:23 AM

The character is great. The casting and production was some of the most emblematic failings of Marvel Television.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114245: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:37:39 AM

I would have liked Daredevil to be a mentor for Spiderman, but that won't happen.

Even if it happened, it would be with another actor and ignoring all the events of the series.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114246: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:43:13 AM

Daredevil is like the only bigger trash fire than Tony Stark. That would have been perfect.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#114247: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:45:56 AM

Are you sure Frank "Archetypal 90's Anti-Hero Punisher" Castle isn't a bigger trash fire than the both of them?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114248: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:50:38 AM

I haven't seen the Punisher series and don't want 'murder is cool actually' Frank anywhere near Peter.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#114249: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:53:18 AM

Daredevil is a trash fire because he is a hero, but he's ultimately pretty terrible at it and it ruins all of his relationships. Tony is similar.

The Punisher is a trash fire because he thinks murder is cool and writers keep forgetting that's a bad thing.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#114250: Jan 5th 2020 at 10:55:57 AM

[up]The Punisher (at least the one in the series) is more complex than that.

He is not a super complex character, but at least he is not just a guy who thinks "murder is cool".

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 5th 2020 at 10:59:10 AM


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