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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#114151: Jan 1st 2020 at 9:48:14 AM

Yeah Wolverine really doesn't belong on the Avengers. He was just put there because Wolverine sells well.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#114152: Jan 1st 2020 at 9:49:09 AM

Then again, any character can be made to work with the right writing.

But I'll digress. Lets continue to shit on Wolverine.cool

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#114153: Jan 1st 2020 at 9:53:06 AM

Like a flying butt is pooping on him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#114155: Jan 1st 2020 at 10:24:20 AM

I've always been surprised by how long it took for Spider-Man to become an Avenger. Marvel's flagship character being part of Marvel's #1 super-team seems like the obvious thing to do. It'd be like if Superman never joined the Justice League.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#114156: Jan 1st 2020 at 10:40:24 AM

I never liked the idea of Spidey as an Avenger. While he has teamed with numerous heroes, he just seems out of place in a "team" scenario to me (of course, I have the same opinion of Superman and to a lesser extent, Batman being members of the Justice League). Speaking of all of this, when did the Fantastic Four become part of the Avengers? They always seemed to be affiliated with them at least, but when did they become members (it seems that they're reserve members at most)?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#114157: Jan 1st 2020 at 10:53:39 AM

He was made a reserve member in the 80s, I think

The Avengers also tested him even earlier to see if he’d be a good fit but he intentionally failed the test because he assumed the Avengers wanted him to bully Hulk

Generally Spider-Man hasn’t wanted to be a full Avenger because he values working for a guy that hates him and he already has shitty work life balance without throwing another thing on top

[up] I think Reed and Sue briefly became members during the Worst Roster

Dunno about the other two

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 1st 2020 at 1:56:44 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#114158: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:07:10 AM

Yeah, Spider-Man as an Avenger never really fit. He has always been a , well, friendly neighbourhood superhero instead of a global one.

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#114159: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:07:12 AM

For a long time, Spider-Man was more important than The Avengers.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114160: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:11:09 AM

Whatever that is worth. A few years ago, Green Scar was the most powerful Hulk and Doc Green was the smartest.
It's not that the Immortal Hulk is the smartest or strongest, actually. And he already existed back then, too, by the way: he was called the "Devil Hulk." He was the one that Bruce most feared. He was the scariest Hulk. And it wasn't just because he was smart and strong, but the way he put those things to use: he wanted to end the world. And now Bruce Banner agrees with him.

What about Kluh, is that still a thing?
No, Kluh was an aberration caused during AXIS when everybody's morality was reversed.

So how does a guy like this gain a reputation as the "useless Avenger"?
Because people don't understand Hawkeye and like to make fun of him for being the "Arrow guy." Just like, well, Green Arrow. Even though he can do things like this.

It's not like he is always the deciding factor when it comes to fighting these larger-than-life threats.
Actually, often, he is. Hawkeye once single-handedly defeated the Collector (one of the Elders of the Universe) via cheating. And during JLA/Avengers, he was the one who won the entire thing and so Hawkeye remains, to this day, the only character to have served on both the JLA and the Avengers (and yes that book is still canon in the Marvel Universe and was canon in the DC universe until they rebooted).

Edited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 11:13:49 AM

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#114161: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:27:31 AM

Fuck you batman, indeed.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114162: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:33:25 AM

Honestly, that moment would be more impressive if Ollie weren't whining about how Batman doesn't take him seriously. Instead of making Oliver look like a badass it just shows how much room Bruce occupies in his head.

Both DC and Marvel have this weird thing about making their premier archers seem like insecure blowhards.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#114163: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:33:33 AM

I said he isn't always. Everybody saves the day at some point. But most of the time, Hawkeye does the b-team stuff, while the heavy hitters do the, well, heavy lifting.

Also, no, that crossover is of dubious canonicity, even though its awesome. It was only vaguely referenced in the DCU via the cosmic egg, never in the Marvel Universe afterwards.

Also, funny that Green Arrow was brought up, since with him it is kinda the inverse. Thanks to the TV show, he was introduced to a far wider audience and the Adaptational Badass treatment he received there really helped.

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#114164: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:36:03 AM

In my Marvel Encyclopedia the JLA/Avengers crossover is referenced, if vaguely as just “heroes from another world”.

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#114165: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:37:20 AM

Of course, TV!Ollie is bargain bin Batman (how much more than usual is debatable), so you win some, you lose some.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114166: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:37:39 AM

Also, no, that crossover is of dubious canonicity, even though its awesome. It was only vaguely referenced in the DCU via the cosmic egg, never in the Marvel Universe afterwards.
It was actually referenced by both companies.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 11:38:45 AM

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#114167: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:43:09 AM

I've always said they should do movies focused on X-23 and just tease Wolverine throughout them. And when Wolverine actually shows up, have him be truly Old Man Logan to differentiate him more from the Hugh Jackman version.

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#114168: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:44:05 AM

Insecurity has been one of Clint’s primary character attributes since he started with the Avengers

He’s a dude that accidentally criminaled who swaggered his way into the Avengers only to find it’s because all the Avengers are quitting and they’ll let anyone join. And then on top of that the only person on the team with no powers is made the leader (for some weird reason in this time period, Hawkeye considered himself shooting a bow really well a power and Captain America’s super soldier serum given abilities not a power. It was a weird time).

He had the tendency to spiral if one thing went wrong. His bow string broke at a critical moment? He steals some Pym juice and becomes the new Goliath. That’s not working out, he dumps the juice in the sink and has to make a bow out of random garbage because he’s caught in the middle of an alien invasion without any powers or weapons.

Wanda rejects him because she’s into Vision, he runs off and accidentally gets hired as the archery instructor for a supervillain and then quits the team when they show up and save him

He didn’t even tell his team he actually had a real name for years because he was afraid they’d treat him differently if they knew he was related to Serious Criminal Barney Barton

Insecurity has always been Clint’s thing, not just a new trait added by too cool for you writers who want to mock him.

Green Arrow being insecure is new to me and probably stolen from Hawkeye or writers too invested in countering fandom perceptions

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 1st 2020 at 2:52:14 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#114169: Jan 1st 2020 at 11:52:56 AM

For somebody being insecure, Hawkeye is a hell of a manwhore tongue

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#114170: Jan 1st 2020 at 12:11:37 PM

The two may be related honestly

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#114172: Jan 1st 2020 at 12:51:53 PM

Should help keep people invested in the service

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114173: Jan 1st 2020 at 1:10:48 PM

I actually have to praise the DC Universe app here: they actually put forth a schedule where when one original show ended, another original show would start almost immediately after. Titans Season 1 ended on December 21, 2018, while Young Justice: Outsiders began on January 4, 2019. When the first part of that season ended on January 25, Doom Patrol started on February 15 and so on. It meant that people didn't have to wait very long for something else new to show up.

Disney+ does have original shows still going on, but they are all pretty much reality-type or docu-type (like Encore! or The World According to Jeff Goldblum) or targeting a more tween-audience (like High School Musical: The Musical). Nothing Star Wars or Marvel related, which is what brings in a lot of viewers.

January 17 is the premiere of Diary of a Future President, which is the one non-Marvel, non-Star Wars show I am interested in.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 1:16:08 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#114174: Jan 1st 2020 at 4:13:02 PM

Concerning Hawkeye and Bullseye...

Hawkeye prefers bows. But he's damn good with projectile weapons in general. In the main comics he's the only one who can use Cap's shield as a projectile as well as Cap himself. In the Ultimate comics, Hawkeye once killed his enemies using nothing but his own torn off fingernails.

Hawkeye and Bullseye's skills are so similar to each other that when Osborne made his "Dark Avengers", he dressed up Bullseye as Hawkeye.

Edited by M84 on Jan 1st 2020 at 8:16:31 PM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#114175: Jan 1st 2020 at 5:49:26 PM

I'd think the deciding factor when comparing Bullseye and Hawkeye would be who's faster on the draw. They've both got aim so good that pretty much any target they can see, they can hit. But perfect marksmanship doesn't do much good if, by the time you reach for a weapon, take aim, and let it fly, the thing you were aiming at has either left the scene or launched its own attack against you.


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