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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Then again, any character can be made to work with the right writing.
But I'll digress. Lets continue to shit on Wolverine.
I've always been surprised by how long it took for Spider-Man to become an Avenger. Marvel's flagship character being part of Marvel's #1 super-team seems like the obvious thing to do. It'd be like if Superman never joined the Justice League.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I never liked the idea of Spidey as an Avenger. While he has teamed with numerous heroes, he just seems out of place in a "team" scenario to me (of course, I have the same opinion of Superman and to a lesser extent, Batman being members of the Justice League). Speaking of all of this, when did the Fantastic Four become part of the Avengers? They always seemed to be affiliated with them at least, but when did they become members (it seems that they're reserve members at most)?
He was made a reserve member in the 80s, I think
The Avengers also tested him even earlier to see if he’d be a good fit but he intentionally failed the test because he assumed the Avengers wanted him to bully Hulk
Generally Spider-Man hasn’t wanted to be a full Avenger because he values working for a guy that hates him and he already has shitty work life balance without throwing another thing on top
I think Reed and Sue briefly became members during the Worst Roster
Dunno about the other two
Edited by Bocaj on Jan 1st 2020 at 1:56:44 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersEdited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 11:13:49 AM
Honestly, that moment would be more impressive if Ollie weren't whining about how Batman doesn't take him seriously. Instead of making Oliver look like a badass it just shows how much room Bruce occupies in his head.
Both DC and Marvel have this weird thing about making their premier archers seem like insecure blowhards.
I said he isn't always. Everybody saves the day at some point. But most of the time, Hawkeye does the b-team stuff, while the heavy hitters do the, well, heavy lifting.
Also, no, that crossover is of dubious canonicity, even though its awesome. It was only vaguely referenced in the DCU via the cosmic egg, never in the Marvel Universe afterwards.
Also, funny that Green Arrow was brought up, since with him it is kinda the inverse. Thanks to the TV show, he was introduced to a far wider audience and the Adaptational Badass treatment he received there really helped.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianEdited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 11:38:45 AM
I've always said they should do movies focused on X-23 and just tease Wolverine throughout them. And when Wolverine actually shows up, have him be truly Old Man Logan to differentiate him more from the Hugh Jackman version.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Insecurity has been one of Clint’s primary character attributes since he started with the Avengers
He’s a dude that accidentally criminaled who swaggered his way into the Avengers only to find it’s because all the Avengers are quitting and they’ll let anyone join. And then on top of that the only person on the team with no powers is made the leader (for some weird reason in this time period, Hawkeye considered himself shooting a bow really well a power and Captain America’s super soldier serum given abilities not a power. It was a weird time).
He had the tendency to spiral if one thing went wrong. His bow string broke at a critical moment? He steals some Pym juice and becomes the new Goliath. That’s not working out, he dumps the juice in the sink and has to make a bow out of random garbage because he’s caught in the middle of an alien invasion without any powers or weapons.
Wanda rejects him because she’s into Vision, he runs off and accidentally gets hired as the archery instructor for a supervillain and then quits the team when they show up and save him
He didn’t even tell his team he actually had a real name for years because he was afraid they’d treat him differently if they knew he was related to Serious Criminal Barney Barton
Insecurity has always been Clint’s thing, not just a new trait added by too cool for you writers who want to mock him.
Green Arrow being insecure is new to me and probably stolen from Hawkeye or writers too invested in countering fandom perceptions
Edited by Bocaj on Jan 1st 2020 at 2:52:14 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIn case everyone missed it, WandaVision is coming 2020 instead of 2021!
I actually have to praise the DC Universe app here: they actually put forth a schedule where when one original show ended, another original show would start almost immediately after. Titans Season 1 ended on December 21, 2018, while Young Justice: Outsiders began on January 4, 2019. When the first part of that season ended on January 25, Doom Patrol started on February 15 and so on. It meant that people didn't have to wait very long for something else new to show up.
Disney+ does have original shows still going on, but they are all pretty much reality-type or docu-type (like Encore! or The World According to Jeff Goldblum) or targeting a more tween-audience (like High School Musical: The Musical). Nothing Star Wars or Marvel related, which is what brings in a lot of viewers.
January 17 is the premiere of Diary of a Future President, which is the one non-Marvel, non-Star Wars show I am interested in.
Edited by alliterator on Jan 1st 2020 at 1:16:08 AM
Concerning Hawkeye and Bullseye...
Hawkeye prefers bows. But he's damn good with projectile weapons in general. In the main comics he's the only one who can use Cap's shield as a projectile as well as Cap himself. In the Ultimate comics, Hawkeye once killed his enemies using nothing but his own torn off fingernails.
Hawkeye and Bullseye's skills are so similar to each other that when Osborne made his "Dark Avengers", he dressed up Bullseye as Hawkeye.
Edited by M84 on Jan 1st 2020 at 8:16:31 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedI'd think the deciding factor when comparing Bullseye and Hawkeye would be who's faster on the draw. They've both got aim so good that pretty much any target they can see, they can hit. But perfect marksmanship doesn't do much good if, by the time you reach for a weapon, take aim, and let it fly, the thing you were aiming at has either left the scene or launched its own attack against you.

Yeah Wolverine really doesn't belong on the Avengers. He was just put there because Wolverine sells well.
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