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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, Hawkeye is a one-trick pony. Bullseye is much more versatile.
As for Kluh, that version was nothing more than a one-note character in an extremely crappy crossover, and what he did was certainly not even close to the normal Hulk's best.
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Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 1st 2020 at 10:52:26 AM
Hawkeye v. Bullseye isn't quite as simple as "Bullseye can make pens into weapons so he wins." Bullseye has a brutal proficiency with improvising any object on his person into a deadly weapon.
Hawkeye has a brutal proficiency with the actual deadly weapons that he carries. Clint can't turn a playing card into a throwing knife, but an arrow through the face is still an arrow through the face.
Instead of improvised throwing weapons, Clint has an arsenal of trick arrows used in Avengers-level conflicts.
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- Sonic arrows.
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- Net arrows.
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- Cryo arrows.
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- Flashbang arrows.
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- Gas arrows.
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- Electronic scrambler arrows.
- Pym Particle arrows.
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- Incendiary arrows.
- Boomerang arrows.
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The difference between them is one of degrees. Bullseye is a street-level assassin. He's very dangerous to characters like DareDevil. But Hawkeye rolls with the likes of Thor, the Hulk, and Iron Man and actually keeps pace. Even if Clint can't put a #2 pencil through a man's neck at 300 yards, the characters aren't in the same weight class.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Clint can also make a bow out of random garbage so it’s hard to keep him disarmed
Forever liveblogging the AvengersDaredevil has also been an Avenger. And honestly, Hawkeye has been a Streetlevel character far more than an Avenger during the last years, especially in his solo titles.
It's also not like he pulls all of these special arrows just out of his quiver. They are normally developed by other people FOR him for special occasions.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 1st 2020 at 5:14:34 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianClint actually invented anti gravity arrows on his own in an Avengers comic
It wasn’t crucial to resolve the plot or even relevant to anything. He just invented anti-gravity by himself when he was bored
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAlso, for what it's worth, that whole improvised weapon thing? Clint can do that too, Bullseye's not special.
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Clint is objectively deadlier than Bullseye in every way.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That sounds like BS though, Clint ain't no scientist.
Yeah, that was a strange Fraction-only run thing, where he suddenly decided to make him like Ultimate Hawkeye, for some reason.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 1st 2020 at 5:21:26 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianWhat it boils down to is that when you regularly fight space gods, dimension-shattering invaders from other realities, arcane forces of infinite horror, etc., you gotta develop some skills.
Way more skills than what you develop when you regularly pull assassination jobs on fat businessmen and occasionally mix it up with martial artists.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So how does a guy like this gain a reputation as the "useless Avenger"?
Which didn't really last long tbf.
I'm pretty sure he was making use of trick arrows as early as his first appearance. He may not be as smart as Tony or Reed but he has enough skill in engineering for it to matter.
Edited by windleopard on Jan 1st 2020 at 8:26:37 AM
I think people overstate his importance to the Avengers, more likely. It's not like he is always the deciding factor when it comes to fighting these larger-than-life threats. He usually tends to fight the mooks or provide cover-fire.
He is not a big hitter ala Hulk or Thor.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianWay more skills than what you develop when you regularly pull assassination jobs on fat businessmen and occasionally mix it up with martial artists.
Just a reminder that this
is what happened to Bullseye when he went up against American Eagle, a guy who had super powers and knew how to fight.
Honestly the useless Avenger was Swordsman who was like Hawkeye but worse in every way and then he died lamenting how useless he was
Or Dr Druid. Fuck that guy
Forever liveblogging the AvengersBecause of the public perception that he didn't get a lot to do in The Avengers, followed by Whedon thinking it would be fun to lean into that in the actual movie for humor's sake in Ultron like an idiot.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 1st 2020 at 8:40:50 AM
I was actually talking about the comic version of Hawkeye. Sorry, should have made that clear.
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The Avengers always had an "everything and the kitchen sink" approach to who was allowed on the roster. Wolverine just stood out because of how overexposed he was but he really wasn't anymore out of place than Black Widow who is supposed to be an espionage agent.
Edited by windleopard on Jan 1st 2020 at 9:11:18 AM
Wolverine stood out because they kept insisting that they totally needed Wolverine on the team to do the murders that the other Avengers were too soft to do
But that’s a dumb reason. Thor is from a race of warrior murder gods and both Captain America and Iron Man have done a kill if necessary
Hawkeye is stringently against killing. Except when written by Bendis where he becomes a huge fan of killing.
And Bendis also put Wolverine on the team so yeah. Wolverine has no reason to be here
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYou don't have to convince me.
Hating on Wolverine is doing god's work. You don't need a reason.
Though I look forward to Marvel's take on him. Will they tap into his old school characterization of complete asshole 90% of the time? I hope so. Though that will make his softer moments more genuine as well instead of pandering. In the meantime, we can continue to hate on him.
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What about Kluh, is that still a thing? Where Hulk himself Hulks out due to, not rage, but sadness? Wouldn't Kluh be stronger than any normal Hulk form?
As for Bullseye vs Hawkeye, Hawkeye doesn't have a superpower. Bullseye's perfect accuracy is a full-on superpower. Any object Bullseye throws or shoots will aim right for its target, the only way to beat his power is to use a shield.