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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114101: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:14:28 PM

Nice to hear someone giving Hawkeye some credit.

As much as I like Endgame, killing Widow and sparing him likely won't help how some people seem to find him boring.

I don't blame him. It's not like he stood there and let it happen: he literally did everything in his power to stop it and it's just bad luck they ended up in a position where there was no way to prevent it anymore.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#114102: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:18:13 PM

Many critics praised Endgame for giving him "depth that he didn't have before". Ignoring the fact that Ultron gave him a much more unique story by giving him a family and a pretty stable one. Something not seen until Tony in Endgame.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 31st 2019 at 9:20:49 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#114103: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:21:38 PM

Gonna be forward with you all, I love the MCU but sometimes it becomes clear the writers just don't have a good grasp on what to do with some characters. Hawkeye is sadly one of those. Pretty much none of his appearances have captivated me into caring for his character even when the opportunities to make me care presented themselves. He's boring. He's written boring, acting mostly boringly, and yet Ao U and Endgame clearly don't want me to think so. Well, too bad.

You can probably infer that I'm not jazzed for his Disney+ show. I mean hey, maybe it'll turn out good. Never say never and all that. But I'm not holding my breath for Clint himself to be the interesting part (it is introducing Kate Bishop after all).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114104: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:21:41 PM

I mean I wouldn't say that's anymore deep.

So he has a family, big whoop. It's not like any of them have any character aside from nice family.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#114105: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:23:00 PM

Kate Bishop is pretty much my interest here, as I also have not been impressed by the direction they took MCU Hawkeye. I can see why Whedon gave him a wife and kids, I'd just rather he didn't.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 31st 2019 at 7:25:40 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114106: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:24:33 PM

Admitably his family was pretty much the death kneel for the character as it means his fun Fraction era personality can no longer be implemented as a result.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#114107: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:26:43 PM

He is also the only one with any idea of what what and to have everything figured out. He is made the heart of the team in Ultron and gets some of my favorite lines. It's not much, but it's better than him being all brooding and just like every other superhero. I actually found it refreshing to have something that I hadn't had in a superhero movie at that point.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 31st 2019 at 9:27:49 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114108: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:40:37 PM

I mean, he can still be pretty fun.

His reaction to being on a floating island fighting robots with a bow; his annoyance at Quicksilver.

Even his earlier appearance when he's watching Thor beat the shit out of entire shield contingent.

They just don't let him really flex his muscles.

I mean, if Tag has shown us anything, it's that Jeremy Renner can be a fun dude.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#114109: Dec 31st 2019 at 8:49:41 PM

His entire bit in Ultron is "ohoho, he's about to die! Psych, he's not!" Every characteristic he has is centered around that characteristic being a well known death flag. This includes his family.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#114110: Dec 31st 2019 at 8:53:40 PM

[up]Well, why not keep them? False flag the flippa'.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#114111: Dec 31st 2019 at 8:57:20 PM

I mean besides Tony Hawkeye is the only guy to have a wife and child. That is a great thing considering the other characters have it rough in comparison.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#114113: Dec 31st 2019 at 9:42:34 PM

Hawkeye was given a wife and children because he's supposed to be the Avenger who has the closest thing to a normal life. He represents what the Avengers are supposed to be fighting for, the regular people. This is shown in this bit of dialogue:

Laura: You know I totally support your Avenging, I couldn't be prouder. But I see those guys, those "Gods"...
Clint: You don't think they need me.
Laura: I think they do. Which is a lot scarier.

It's Hawkeye that gets Wanda to fight, even though she's a lot more powerful than him.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 31st 2019 at 9:45:01 AM

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#114114: Dec 31st 2019 at 9:46:29 PM

I recall in Fractions’s run it’s the opposite. Clint Barton is more like Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training, where his skill with a bow is impeccable but it takes so much to keep up with gods that the rest of his life is in shambles. And Kate only looks more competent by comparison.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#114115: Jan 1st 2020 at 12:02:09 AM

How DOES Clint compare to someone like Bullseye anyway? I never did see season 3 of Daredevil, but don't they have basically the same skillset? I want to say Bullseye is accurate with anything he throws, but I'm fairly sure I've seen stories where Hawkeye can use all manner of projectiles too.

Edited by GNinja on Jan 1st 2020 at 8:06:10 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114116: Jan 1st 2020 at 1:36:51 AM

Man, imagine if Thor had a whole character breakdown from being told that Malakeith, one of the most flat, generic, one-note supervillains in the entire MCU, was actually right all along.

What would Malakeith be right about? I don’t remember but was there some kind of philosophy he was pushing?

Are people ever happy with Hawkeye? Honest question.

Hawkeye has always been one of those “love em or hate em” characters. He’s either a funny, relatable and competent superhero or an insufferable blowhard who has no business being on the Avengers, let alone a superhero. That he is often at the center of some really controversial stories like how he treated Bobbi after she killed the Phantom Rider for raping her or killing Bruce during Civil War 2 doesn’t help. It’s one of the many things he has in common with his DC counterpart, Green Arrow.

Admitably his family was pretty much the death kneel for the character as it means his fun Fraction era personality can no longer be implemented as a result.

Depending on which Clint fans you ask this might be a good thing.

Edited by windleopard on Jan 1st 2020 at 1:40:15 AM

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#114117: Jan 1st 2020 at 5:00:00 AM

That he is often at the center of some really controversial stories like how he treated Bobbi after she killed the Phantom Rider for raping her or killing Bruce during Civil War 2 doesn’t help.

Isn't the unfortunate canon now that it was consensual? Also, I thought Bruce asked him to prevent him from turning to Hulk.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114118: Jan 1st 2020 at 5:20:52 AM

Isn't the unfortunate canon now that it was consensual?

Oh, yeah there's that.

Still, it wasn't a good look for Clint before the retcon.

Also, I thought Bruce asked him to prevent him from turning to Hulk.

And this was the Hulk's response to that in Avengers: No Road Home #1.

Hulk: Banner comes to you to help kill me - kill us. And instead of sending him to a shrink... you go along with it.

Then again, I'm one of the few who thinks the Illuminati were justified in sending the Hulk into space so I'm not entirely against Clint.

Edited by windleopard on Jan 1st 2020 at 5:28:36 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114119: Jan 1st 2020 at 5:28:08 AM

Wow,reading that voice in my head was weird,it was so coherent compared to I'm used to hearing Hulk speak.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#114120: Jan 1st 2020 at 5:55:50 AM

To answer your question about Bullseye VS Hawkeye: Hawkeye is a very good archer while Bullseye has perfect accuracy with any sort of projectile.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114121: Jan 1st 2020 at 6:02:38 AM

[up][up] This is the Immortal Hulk, one of the many variations of the Hulk that exist in Banner's head. His entire thing is he is the smartest and most powerful Hulk there ever is.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114122: Jan 1st 2020 at 6:05:41 AM

Along with Joe Fixit,probably

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#114123: Jan 1st 2020 at 6:15:25 AM

Fixit is actually the weakest of the Hulks. But smarter than most of them.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114124: Jan 1st 2020 at 6:18:21 AM

He's like..nerd Hulk

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#114125: Jan 1st 2020 at 6:36:26 AM

[up][up][up][up] Whatever that is worth. A few years ago, Green Scar was the most powerful Hulk and Doc Green was the smartest.

I a few more years, Immortal Hulk probably won't be top of the foodchain anymore either.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 1st 2020 at 3:39:27 PM

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