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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#114026: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:35:12 PM

Spider-Man: Home Alone 2: Lost in New York.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114027: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:37:45 PM

Spider-Man: Home on the Range.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#114028: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:38:41 PM

Spider-Man: Can't Go Home Again

Edited by M84 on Dec 30th 2019 at 11:39:33 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#114029: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:40:44 PM

“Earth Eternals are as powerful as Thanos” doesn’t hugely impress me because we’ve never seen Thanos in action without the Infinity Stones, and many of his most impressive feats were accomplished with the Infinity Stomes.

It suggests that the Eternals are physically very strong and extremely physically durable, but those are comparatively limited powers.

The Wikipedia article lists more expansive powers (flight, energy blasts, telepathy, maybe teleportation), but those still sound more like “won the superpower lottery” than “godlike” - they’re abilities possessed by other supers, the Eternals just differ in having all of them.

Edited by Galadriel on Dec 30th 2019 at 10:42:26 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#114030: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:41:49 PM

[up]We saw him manhandle the Hulk without using the Power Stone. We also saw him fight in Endgame where he spent most of the fight without the stones.

And having all of those powers at once does make them godlike in the Marvel verse.

Edited by M84 on Dec 30th 2019 at 11:43:24 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114031: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:47:40 PM

Yeah Endgame showed what Thanos is without the Stones & what he is took an entire army just to bring down.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#114032: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:49:31 PM

Well, if Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel or Dr Strange wasn't distracted by everything else, or if Thor didn't let himself go, they can beat Thanos pretty easily.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#114033: Dec 30th 2019 at 8:00:06 PM

If he's nothing without the Stones, he doesn't deserve to wield them.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#114034: Dec 30th 2019 at 8:49:11 PM

[up][up] It's one of my least favourite parts of comic book fandom. That fans are able to point out all the ways in which the heroes could easily beat any villain if the plot weren't constructed in such a way that prevents them from doing so. Like, when someone told me about that one time in the Flash where he evacuated an entire city in the 0.00000001 seconds it took for a nuke to go off.

Being told that Captain Marvel could've easily beaten Thanos if she wasn't distracted by other stuff doesn't really add anything to the scene by itself. It might be an objective factoid, I'm just not sure how it's all that useful.

Edited by GNinja on Dec 30th 2019 at 4:52:54 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#114035: Dec 30th 2019 at 9:20:15 PM

Spider-Man: Homeless

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114036: Dec 30th 2019 at 9:22:34 PM

Spider-Man: Homeboy

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2019 at 9:22:44 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#114037: Dec 30th 2019 at 9:39:25 PM

Spider man: Get out of my home!

Edit: Well the distractions for Wanda, Strange and Carol were getting carpet bombed, stopping a dam from breaking and being punched in the face by the power stone respectively.

That last one in particular was a desperation act. Looking back, Carol was having as much trouble stopping Thanos (he kept knocking her away before she managed to plant her feet and stop him from snapping, which I still think was her absorbing the passive energy the gauntlet started giving off when Thanos put it on) as he was putting her down.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 30th 2019 at 10:44:38 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#114038: Dec 30th 2019 at 9:42:30 PM

Spider-Man: Take Me Home, Country Road

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#114040: Dec 30th 2019 at 9:58:21 PM

Spider-Man: Home is Where the Heart Is?

Also power level discussion for these characters has just never been something I've cared about. They're as strong as a writer feels like making them. But for the hell of it, I say Carol, Wanda, Thor and Stephen Strange all had Thanos dead to rights and any one of them could've killed that asshole if there weren't other factors at play.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#114042: Dec 30th 2019 at 10:27:29 PM

I'm not sure how you can say that about Thor. He actually does fight Thanos fairly head-on and loses, no distractions or cheap shots required.

MCU Thor is strong but he just doesn't really have the same kind of super-strength his comic self does, even when he doesn't look like melted ice cream.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Dec 30th 2019 at 1:28:02 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#114043: Dec 30th 2019 at 10:38:12 PM

He could've put Mjolinir on Thanos's foot. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 30th 2019 at 10:40:29 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#114044: Dec 30th 2019 at 10:39:07 PM

It is kind of a shame we never got to see him use Mjolnir as a paperweight again after he pinned Loki in the first movie.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#114045: Dec 30th 2019 at 10:39:10 PM

But what if his foot is worthy?

[up] Well there’s also his fight with the dragon.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2019 at 10:39:46 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#114046: Dec 31st 2019 at 2:33:34 AM

I'm glad they didn't pull any "Is Thanos worthy?" scenes honestly. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#114047: Dec 31st 2019 at 2:59:27 AM

If anything, Thanos pushing Stormbreaker into Thor's chest was a brilliant way to remind the audience that Stormbreaker doesn't have a worthiness clause, while Mjolnir does... right before Steve starts using Mjolnir.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#114048: Dec 31st 2019 at 6:03:15 AM

Though Stormbreaker does seem to require a certain level of physical power to actually use. As in, potentially fatal consequences if you are not strong enough.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#114049: Dec 31st 2019 at 6:59:04 AM

Spiderman:The Clone Wars

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#114050: Dec 31st 2019 at 7:19:13 AM

This talk about the worthiness clause makes me wonder how Jane Thor is going to work. Is the movie just never going to establish that she's worthy, and she just gets her powers from Stormbreaker? Are they going to forge or steal another Mjolnir to establish her worthiness? Are they going to put the worthiness clause into Stormbreaker?


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