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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Taskmaster doesn't look too inspired in the first BW trailer and I don't think we really know much about the baddies from the rest of them, but the real Mandarin could turn out neat. Probably. We'll see.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Such a shame. And after Phase 3 had some great villains too. Like Ego, Vulture, Killmonger, Thanos, Ghost, and Mysterio. I also liked Zemo. I didn't like Hela or that wizard dude.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 27th 2019 at 8:47:35 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI'm weird in that I liked Kaecilius more than Killmonger.
I think I need to watch Black Panther again. It keeps being insisted that Killmonger is one of the best MCU villains. I have to believe I missed something with him, because I found him hideously overrated.
Edited by GNinja on Dec 27th 2019 at 3:09:56 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Yeah my bad. Sorry. I don't know why I said that. As I usually try not to prejudge something.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 27th 2019 at 9:13:38 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI feel the most interesting parts of Kaecilius weren't in the actual movie, but in the tie-in comic. It actually explored his life before he trained under the Ancient One, how he lost his child and wife, his hopes of using magic to bring them back to life, and why he decided to turn to Dormammu to bring eternal life.
It's a fascinating read and something I desperately wish was in the actual film. I mean, there's still hints there in the movie itself, but it's just the bare bones version of the story. If Kaecilius' backstory was explored more in the film, I think he'd be considered one of the better MCU villains.
Well I say you oughta give it another watch. Or maybe you just view a lot of things through different lenses than I. But Killmonger just has so much more going for him it's not even a comparison. The Ancestral Plane scene. The points he makes having some weight to them deep down, even if he's really just using them as an excuse to take his anger out on the world. That final scene watching the sunset with T'Challa. MBJ giving the role his all. Kaecillius just...never made me really care about him on-screen (he does have some more depth in the supplementary material but I can't really give the movie credit for that). Easily the weakest of Phase 3's movie baddies.
Side note, I gave Rogue One another watch and damn that movie uses Mads Mikkelsen so much better than Doctor Strange.
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It was a weird combination of things. Like, in the Ancestral plane he's played by a kid actor, which actually harmed the scene's attempts to make me care about him more because I didn't get to see Jordan himself act out such a vulnerable the scene, so on some level they didn't even feel like the same character.
I didn't think Jordan's performance was all that good. It was good, but not the game changing masterpiece that people were calling it. I never once found him menacing or sympathetic. The whole "bury me like my ancestors" line made me cringe because it sounded so pretentious. I didn't buy a single thing he was saying that was supposed to be seen as deep.
Again, I hold up my hands and fully admit that it must be my fault.
Edited by GNinja on Dec 27th 2019 at 4:07:21 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Killmonger was great for me because he raised hard hitting questions about Wakanda and its place in the world that a blockbuster film usually never does, to the point that I was conflicted about whether he should win or not.
Kaecilius... falls in very safe supervillain territory of “I’m gonna cure the concept of death for nebulous reasons putting the whole world in undeath that nobody wants.”
To me he served the same role any villain who's allowed to have a point generally does. He makes the hero genuinely ponder what they said, and from there the main character develops and decides on a better course of action than the villain believes in.
Edited by GNinja on Dec 27th 2019 at 4:21:55 PM
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Referring to Kaecilius, or Killmonger? Because if the former, Kaecilius doesn't really spur Strange into pondering about anything. Strange's reaction to Kaecilius's Motive Rant is to mock him for it. His change as a character is spurred more by the Ancient One.
If referring to Killmonger, how many movie villains actually push the hero to change, especially superhero ones? How many of them make the hero ponder over an issue that's actually important to real world society, as opposed to just a vague moral notion? There's a reason why some directors like Alejandro Iñárritu or Boots Riley have called superheroes "defenders of the status quo", because more often than not the characters are pointed to defend social norms rather than push for their improvement. And more of the latter is what I'd like to see.
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Yes... I got the symbolism. No need to be condescending. I'm terrible at symbolism and I still got that.
My point is that in a meta sense, there was kind of a disconnect for me. Killmonger spends the whole movie acting like a pretentious dick, and then when he gets a scene where he's allowed to showcase a wide range of emotions, he's not even played by Jordan for a lot of it.
Edited by GNinja on Dec 27th 2019 at 4:36:43 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Killmonger is how you do a edgy chararter or even a sith right.
He is a complete douchebag but you can see is pain, he is determinated like few villians are and pretty brutal, he is treated not only with sympathy but with something else: respect as foe, the movie make no mistake this guy could take wakanda and that he is dangerous, something a lot of marvel villians lack.
If anything I hated they kill him because I really want killmonger to be show as wrong and maybe nakia punching him a couple of time, but mostly him changing is view.
And yes, I think the actor could play a sith of a darksider, he totally should.
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For the movies, I'm curious to see Doctor Strange II to see if they can finally use the character to his fullest.
All the tv shows so far intrigue me, but namely "What If?", Wandavision and Moon Knight caught my eye.
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