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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#113826: Dec 18th 2019 at 9:37:51 PM

That's why the Superman v. Batman rivalry is a thing in the first place.

By all logic, Superman wins. In a straight fight in a controlled arena with no special circumstances, no outside help, no prep time, etc. Superman wins a million times over.

But in actual stories that people write, Batman will likely win more frequently than Superman. Because that's a more interesting story. Superman winning is boring because Superman obviously wins, come on, Batman doesn't even have superpowers. Coming up with a way for Batman to beat the odds and overcome Superman is interesting. That's the kind of story people want to hear.

That's why Zemo wasn't the final boss fight for Captain America: Civil War. Iron Man was. At the end of the film, when all is said and done, Cap had to find a way to actually beat Iron Man in a fistfight. The movie gave him a partner, it gave him an advantageous battleground that plays more to his strengths than Tony's, it gave him a distracted foe too busy trying to accomplish a different goal to actually fight him properly, all for the sake of bringing about Cap's ultimate victory over an otherwise insurmountable foe.

Because that's exciting. So much moreso than "Tony shoots Cap with a tank missile and explodes him into giblets because how the f*ck did you think this was going to end?" For the sake of building and ultimately releasing tension, Cap had to beat Iron Man this one time, and the writers pulled out all the stops to make that possible.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 18th 2019 at 10:39:38 AM

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#113827: Dec 18th 2019 at 9:51:32 PM

Although at this point, Batman beating Superman isn't an interesting story anymore.

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#113828: Dec 18th 2019 at 9:53:58 PM

[up]How about James Olson beating Superman? Plenty of Silver Age covers thought that was interesting.

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 18th 2019 at 10:00:54 AM

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#113829: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:03:02 PM

The difference between Batman and Superman, is that one of them is an almost invincible god, while the other is a humble alien.

Not for nothing, Batman's nickname is Bat God.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Dec 18th 2019 at 10:06:05 AM

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#113830: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:06:23 PM

Nothing about Jimmy Olsen is interesting.

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#113831: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:13:05 PM

Remember that time Jimmy Olsen turned himself into Doomsday in order to save Sup's life?

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#113832: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:19:16 PM

While is true that power can changes, sometimes they are rule or a least stuff that writer abise, even lightly, I mean Civil war make not pretense Zemo could take Cap, much less the avenger who he create a overly convulted plan to get the oportunity to destroy the avengers.

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#113833: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:27:14 PM

Nowadays it's actually more interesting to see Supes curbstomp Bats in an instant.

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#113834: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:29:52 PM

I mean, bane gain memetic status as the "Man who broke the bat" that kinda said something.

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#113835: Dec 18th 2019 at 10:35:10 PM

I have an idea for an evil Batman story that has Batman hunker himself down in a bunker several miles below the Earth surrounded by all sorts of defenses like red sun radiation & kryptonite totally read to face Superman.

Only for him to be suddenly in the air as Supes grabs him by the colllar in the literal blink of an eye. Supes just disabled the defenses via a simple opening.

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#113836: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:01:29 PM

One comic I saw online had Batman all geared up with Kryptonite weaponry ready to face Superman...only for Superman to casually vaporize him with heat vision while in the stratosphere.

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#113837: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:12:07 PM

If you want to read a good "hero curb stomps Batman and is right" story, look up Greg Rucka's The Hiketeia.

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#113838: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:18:04 PM

I also have Supes countering stuff like Batman having a kryptonite tooth filling simply because he knows the guy well enough. So he pretty much immediately scans his body for anomalies & plucks them out without him ever reasoning it.

Also the grand reveal that Batman experimented on himself to give him full Kryptonian powers only to still be curb-stomped by Supes cause he knows the powers far better than Batman ever will.

[up][up] Which comic?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 18th 2019 at 11:18:30 AM

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#113839: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:36:53 PM

I think it might have been an old Shortpacked comic? It's been a while.

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#113840: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:44:23 PM

I’ve rather become attached to the concept of Bats turning himself Kryptonian or at least ultra-powered because it’s like the ultimate tear down to fans of his Badass Normal concept.

Plus it’s the logical progression of his pragmatism. Batman is characterized as using everything at his disposal for victory, so a Batman with no limits or moral standards would immediately augment himself with the strongest superpowers he can find as it would increase his chances of winning.

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#113841: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:47:19 PM

A Batman with no limits or morals would also simply kill all the villains. And I mean all of them.

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#113842: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:52:17 PM

Well of course that too.

But he’d also be a kind of a controlling cowardly smug snake who’d do anything to win while at the same time taking the least dangerous path for himself.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 18th 2019 at 11:54:59 AM

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#113843: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:53:15 PM

Batman with invulnerability and superspeed has even less reason to kill anybody when almost nothing can hurt him and he can quickly move any bystanders out of range of harm.

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#113844: Dec 18th 2019 at 11:59:08 PM

Nah, he would make dead sure the villains would have zero chance of ever hurting anyone again.

By killing them. That's why I bolded "dead" up there.

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#113845: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:22:31 AM

Do supes and bats have to have a physical confrontations every damn time?Why not have a battle of wits instead since both of them are fairly intelligent

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#113846: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:53:15 AM

I think I'd just make Bv S a teamup movie between the two (granted I haven't actually seen it in full). Actually I'd just up and overhaul the hell out of it.

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#113847: Dec 19th 2019 at 5:14:24 AM

Paparazzi shots of Falcon, Bucky, and Baron Zemo for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

How do metal arms work in filmmaking? Is it like they film the scene normally and then use CG to make it look like an actual metal arm?

Because Sebastian looks to be wearing some kind of sleeve colored like Bucky's Wakandian metal arm.

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#113848: Dec 19th 2019 at 6:24:53 AM

Typically, the actor wears makeup or a form-fitting sleeve that is colored green so that green-screen CGI can be done over it.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 19th 2019 at 9:25:07 AM

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#113849: Dec 19th 2019 at 7:26:34 AM

In Winter Soldier I think part of the arm was a partial metal/plastic sleeve with reverence dots. Stan mentioned 'lube' in getting on a few times in interviews. Now I think they have moved on to a spandex glove with again the dots for the post team

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#113850: Dec 19th 2019 at 7:57:04 AM

Right, that's true. I forgot that green-screen prosthetics are no longer used in CGI; instead they have motion capture dots and do all of the effects in post.

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