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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#113751: Dec 14th 2019 at 3:48:28 PM

I definitely don't remember her doing anything in Infinity War.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#113752: Dec 14th 2019 at 3:51:17 PM

She took down a fucking armada!

The same one that was carpet bombing everyone to hell and back!

She did technically do nothing while fighting Thanos though...because she didn't need to until he took out the power stone.

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#113753: Dec 14th 2019 at 3:52:24 PM

Nah, Carol didn't even show up for the final battle of Infinity War.

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#113754: Dec 14th 2019 at 3:55:16 PM

She was busy beating up some kree and skulls off screen

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#113755: Dec 14th 2019 at 4:02:01 PM

Rob, you're thinking of Endgame, right? Because she wasn't anywhere in Infinity War...

Also, in random news, today is the second anniversary of a tweet that tempted fate.

Context: Two years ago, when the Disney/Fox deal was fresh on people's minds, Alexandra Shipp, who was then the most recent incarnation of Storm, tweeted how funny it was that everyone thought because Disney was buying Fox, it meant she was out of the picture as Storm. Which I guess is almost DEFINITELY happening?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#113756: Dec 14th 2019 at 4:06:44 PM

Oh Fox-Men Storm, how superfluous were you? Not even the epic belly flop of Dark Phoenix could give her one of those trademark 90’s summoning monologues, let alone an actual personality?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#113757: Dec 14th 2019 at 4:07:18 PM

Damn. I guess I did mean Endgame. My bad.

I'm even watching it right now. Damn my slowness.

But yeah, she never fires a proton blast during the final fight of Endgame. Skrull Carol confirmed?

Though I admit this is pretty weak as a theory. We don't even know if a Skrull could copy Carol's raw power.

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#113758: Dec 14th 2019 at 4:26:24 PM

I mean, to destroy Thanos mothership she should've at least shooted some proton blast.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#113759: Dec 14th 2019 at 4:43:34 PM

Nope. I believe she just cannonballed through it. No blasts at all if I recall...but I might be misremembering.

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#113760: Dec 14th 2019 at 6:17:07 PM

She may have fired some photon blasts during the fight; does it really matter? No Skrull could pull that off.

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#113761: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:23:28 PM

The only way a Skrull could possibly have filled in for Carol in Endgame would be if it was a Super-Skrull. The Super-Skrull program has produced some pretty powerhouse Skrulls by cloning the powersets of various Earthling characters. Most notable is Kl'rt, the original and definitive Super-Skrull with the combined powers of the entire Fantastic Four. But Secret Invasion gave us "Buncha Avengers" Super-Skrulls and "Buncha X-Men" Super-Skrulls and the like too.

But the Super-Skrull program not only hasn't been established in the MCU but, from what we've seen of Skrulls thus far, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense in the first place. MCU Skrulls really aren't in any sort of place where you can just slap a genetically-engineered Skrull Cap/Thor/Carol/Hulk/Widow amalgam super-soldier on the screen with minimal explanation.

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#113762: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:24:48 PM

Also, the Skrulls in the MCU aren't evil, at least not the ones we've seen. Maybe they have a hidden agenda or something, but if so they're being pretty damn cagey about it, and the narrative has gone out of its way to treat them sympathetically.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 14th 2019 at 12:27:17 PM

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#113763: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:36:35 PM

They're definitely gonna show some evil Skrulls somewhere down the line. Maybe in the Captain Marvel sequel?

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#113764: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:51:15 PM

Maybe, but by God they'd better not overplay the Schrodinger's Skrull plot, because it gets really irritating never knowing when the rug will be pulled out. If any character can be revealed as a shapeshifter at any time, then I get taken right out of the story by the lack of stakes.

Better to keep it a Running Gag, like in FFH.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 14th 2019 at 12:52:46 PM

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#113765: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:17:39 PM

"the narrative has gone out of its way to treat them sympathetically."

Not just that they pull it in the position of underdogs with a lot of comedy atach to them and a comparation with refugies, making villains would be a little bit hard.

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#113766: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:25:36 PM

I'd love to see Kl'rt brought to the big screen as a F4 villain, but he should not represent Skulls as a whole. Maybe he's gone rogue solo, or with a small splinter group, but it should be emphasized that Talos and the other good Skrulls do not condone his actions. Hell, maybe Talos can even warn Earth about Kl'rt before he gets here, establishing the threat right off the bat.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#113767: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:41:24 PM

Make him a Kree experiment instead

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113768: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:47:58 PM

They could always got the M'Baku route and make him an antagonistic ally. He's had that role sometimes in the comics, iirc.

But if they're do have him be a villain - if it wasn't for the fact that they did the exact same thing with Ronan, I'd say... well... do the exact same thing they did with Ronan. Militant who hates the Kree so much he's willing to launch his entire race back into the horrors of war just to get the power he feels they robbed from his people.

Or, another track, just do the thing most fantasy/sci-fi series don't do with fantastical races and just... have him be a Skrull supervillain. In the same way guys like Killian or Stane aren't representative of humanity and are individuals whose power hunger and maliciousness made them villains, have Kl'Rt just be a Skrull who went bad, turned himself into a superhuman a la Schmidt, and ends up on Earth where he grows an emnity with the Fantastic Four.

Also:

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Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 14th 2019 at 11:25:38 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#113769: Dec 15th 2019 at 10:20:46 AM

They could always go the Secret Invasion route and have a sector of the Skrulls as Church Militant.

Veranke and her faction Skrulls follow a prophecy that will bring back the Skrull empire to their glory days of being a conquering empire. Depict them as extreme religious fundamentalists that are seen with bad eyes by Talos and the refugee skrulls.

Edited by Akirakan on Dec 15th 2019 at 1:23:02 PM

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#113770: Dec 15th 2019 at 2:33:09 PM

And then it turns out Veranke had taken the shape of Talos and it's gone fully Skrullception.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#113771: Dec 15th 2019 at 3:19:13 PM

I mean, that could work, but it really would send the wrong message about refugees and immigrants. But I would also prefer it if the Kree weren't the bad guys either — they have been used as the bad guys waaaaay too much and using them as the bad guys again would be just going back to the well and pretty much painting them all as villains (with one or two exceptions).

I would, however, love to see John the Skrull in a movie. For those not familiar: when the Skrulls decided to invade in the '60s, some of them decided to infiltrate Earth using popular celebrities. The ones that posed as the Beatles, however, decided that, well, they really liked Earth and stayed behind when the others were eventually defeated and left. John the Skrull is, literally, a Skrull who looks like John Lennon.

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#113772: Dec 15th 2019 at 3:51:28 PM

Do we know anything about the plot of Captain Marvel 2? I'd love to see her continue her crusade against the Kree leadership. They don't have to all be villainous; it seems as if the Supreme Intelligence is the primary antagonist. Given her "I am a beacon of freedom and hope" posture, she might well end up leading a resistance movement.

This would constrain the setting a bit, though. If it's set in the past, she can't win decisively or it potentially retcons the premise of GotG.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2019 at 6:55:29 AM

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#113773: Dec 15th 2019 at 4:50:02 PM

Well, I don't know if it does. By the time GOTG rolls around the Kree are led by an Emperor rather than a Supreme Intelligence, there's a peace treaty established and Ronan the Accuser is explicitly The Remnant of the Kree's War Machine. All of that leaves plenty of room for Carol to tear a bloody path through the Kree Empire.

The question is more what the Hell was she doing while Ronan went out and about during GOTG.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#113774: Dec 15th 2019 at 4:50:57 PM

She can't be everywhere at once. She might have been fighting off the Brood somewhere.

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#113775: Dec 15th 2019 at 5:02:51 PM

[up][up]Hmm, that's right. So yeah, there's lots of room for her to be up to stuff then.

[up] Carol's powers are so game-breaking that she has to find a reason to get on a bus between her appearances.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2019 at 8:03:41 AM

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