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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
While Black Widow could be good as an R-rated film, it could also go very badly into too dark and too edgy. Spy films can be good R-rated, but Black Widow has a backstory that is far too easy to spin into something stupid dark. I mean, Natasha was raised basically from birth to be a seductress and an assassin. I can think of half a dozen terrible dark plots that I would hate to watch that would be easy to spin off that.
Edited by Discar on Dec 11th 2019 at 10:15:33 AM
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
I think you might be referring to Red Sparrow?
I'm perfectly fine with a Black Widow movie remaining PG-13. In the right hands, I can see an R-rated film working for the character, but it seems this film is aiming closer to the tone of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
A thought occurs as I'm watching the Batroc fight scene in Winter Soldier.
HYDRA had infiltrated SHIELD, and sure not everybody was drinking their kool-aid, but nobody ever tried to reach out to Natasha at some earlier point in her career? It seems like the film made a point early on that there was friction between her and Cap over how she handled things.
She also had a spotty past she was trying to make up for - but she wasn't always on the side of the angels.
HYDRA grabbed John Garrett, brainwashed Bucky and several others, and somehow recruited Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
Edited by Soble on Dec 12th 2019 at 8:09:22 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I’d guess Hydra didn’t approach anyone they weren’t sure would sign up or at least could be killed without fuss if they said no
Natasha going missing would have been a huge red flag to Fury and that’s only if they could even take her out
Also, Wanda and Pietro were recruited from a street protest so they’re less Hydra diehards and more specifically just super angry at the US and Avengers
Forever liveblogging the AvengersDesmond Chiam and Miki Ishikawa joins Falcon and The Winter Soldier [1]
the russo brother wented to guy of honest trailer and they answer some question, and they said that HYDRA involment of shield was most to weapon deparment, that mean if shield create some weapon, hydra got it.
in fact, in my headcanon that HYDRA order most of ghost missions.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"They could still screw it up, obviously, but having more runtime to dedicate to minor characters is a good start.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Broke: Odin was a bad dad who hated his children.
Woke: Odin did genuinely love his children but he was terrible at expressing his emotions partly because of the society he himself had been raised in and was conditioned to propagate and partly because of what he considers to be his responsibilities as king. He probably thought you had to be a dick to your kids sometimes to see how they handled pressure, criticism, and not getting their way, because they're not just growing up to become a normal person, but literally one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
My various fanfics.Odin had a LOT of problems that add up to me not being able to deem him a good person but he has more good going for him than fucking Ego. I actually buy that he cares about Thor.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Dec 13th 2019 at 6:49:43 AM
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Eh, I just get annoyed by memes.
And I believe that Odin genuinely loved Loki. Just, again, very bad at expressing his emotions.
"You're my son. I only wanted to protect you from the truth."
My various fanfics.Honestly, I didn’t think Odin was that bad in the first movie. I read his “only one of you can rule Asgard, but both of you were born to be kings” line as saying that he had hoped that Loki would become ruler of Jotunheim at some future point, with Thor as ruler of Asgard, allowing the forging of a durable peace.
Thor’s exile was warranted given just how badly he screwed up. Imagine one of the Trump kids personally launching an unauthorized invasion of, say, Iran. The attack on Jotunheim was spectacularly stupid and reckless. And it was clearly set up from the start to allow him to return if/when he got his act together.
Edited by Galadriel on Dec 13th 2019 at 10:31:25 AM
Eh, Odin isn't written as that bad in the first movie, but under a critical eye he doesn't come off very well. He ignored all the warning signs about Thor's arrogance and carelessness until Thor almost started a war, and he reacted to that by berating Thor, stripping him of everything he valued, and only giving a minor oblique indication for how Thor could earn redemption. He gave no guidance, just an all-or-nothing symbol. His reaction to Loki finding out the truth and confronting him was terrible, he deflected all of Loki's (understandable!) anger at being lied to with excuses and tried to make it out that Loki was being unfair. Overall he's dangerously irresponsible as a king and a father, with his main strategy always being to ignore problems until they blow up in his face and then lash out at whoever exploded.

Don't think it really needs one, and under the wrong hands it could likely go...amiss.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)