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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I know, but it's private companies who are getting money from housing imprisoned immigrants.
ICE also uses a lot of technology bought from private companies. That would basically be the Sentinels — private companies build them, sell them to the government, and then sell them the facilities that house of the imprisoned mutants.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 1st 2019 at 11:06:24 AM
I'm pretty sure that the Sentinels in the comics were already built by some sort of military-industrial complex.
Leviticus 19:34Just because some events in real life happened doesn't validate something in a film made by a comic book focused film studio. Again should people just act like Ultron never happened and kick off a new Terminator series after Dark Fate seemingly killed off the franchise? I think you have to explore new options and methods for Sentinals besides bad men in business suits made them.
Edit: With these men with huge wads of cash-paying off people to mass-produce them you can still get the evils of profit, but show a more grey area to the rise of these mutant killing machines. Plus it would make the old cliche of government not being trustworthy and building evil robots less obvious.
Edited by Mizerous on Dec 1st 2019 at 2:30:01 PM
Just Makima.I still like the idea of the government getting the Sentinels proposed to them...only to dismiss the idea as next level stupid. Maybe make Gyrich and Trask a takeoff of Elon Musk and Tesla (and you can point out Trask’s own guilt at making the damn things).
Hell, the meeting itself would be comedy -
Trask - And this army of self policing robots will round up dangerous mutants in the streets, without any fear of looking cruel or risking the lives of police.
...
Congressman - Mr. Trask, you just re-invented stupid.
Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 1st 2019 at 2:40:20 PM
I could see that.
Yipes. That's just wrong.
Hell, the meeting itself would be comedy -
Trask - And this army of self policing robots will round up dangerous mutants in the streets, without any fear of looking cruel or risking the lives of police.
...
Congressman - Mr. Trask, you just re-invented stupid.
It would be nice to see adaptations acknowledge that Trask wasn't just a one dimensional mutant hater. Hell, I think the comics themselves are beginning to forget that. In the beginning, he just thought that mutants were a potential danger that needed to be controlled, and when the Sentinels damn near immediately went off the rails, he actually sacrificed himself to stop them without hesitation.
Not only that, he was apparently revived at some point, and acted with horror when he found out that people kept building robots, using them to kill mutants and even genocided Genosha in his name. That was not his jam. Trask was not a smart man, but he was a good man. That level of gray is needed now.
One Strip! One Strip!> I still like the idea of the government getting the Sentinels proposed to them...only to dismiss the idea as next level stupid. Maybe make Gyrich and Trask a takeoff of Elon Musk and Tesla (and you can point out Trask’s own guilt at making the damn things)
Publicly they reject them but then privately they're already working on them,a fairly topical plot twist
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI'm still not sure WHY the Sentinels always go off the rails. Is there really no way to build them where they don't end up trying to commit genocide and instead only react to mutants who are actively committing crimes? Is it that some jerk in power or governmental decree always ends up misusing them?
Edited by GNinja on Dec 1st 2019 at 8:35:29 PM
Kaze ni Nare!Thing with Sentinels is, there's no reason they need to be used specifically for mutants. If you're a government, and you have the ability to build giant robot soldiers, you're not going to limit them to one narrowly defined task.
"What's that? You say aliens are invading New York again? Gee, we'd love to help, but Sentinels are strictly a mutant hunting thing. Nothing we can do."
It would make the most sense for Sentinels to simply be a new weapon added to the military, used to deal with any threat you might need a giant killer robot to deal with. Trouble only arises because mutants, even the ones without ultra-destructive powers, get classified as giant killer robot worthy threats too easily.
Sentinels could very easily be a repeat of the INSIGHT Helicarriers, just in a humanoid shape. They invoke the same kind of fear about the dangers of militarization.
But I guess they can be used to comment on local law enforcement instead of global affairs. Project INSIGHT was focused on a global scale, while the Sentinels are specifically focused on locating and tracking certain segments of the civilian population. There are comments to be made about profiling, the militarization of the police, and unnecessarily escalating conflicts with such a premise.
Although I wonder if the MCU might want to avoid the Sentinels because they've been done already in X-Men: Days of Future Past. As we've seen from the Spider-Man films, the MCU would probably want to tackle new material for their films and DOFP is considered one of the better X-Men films. As much as the Sentinels are an iconic part of the series, there is the risk of retreading the same ground again.
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I still find it amazing how EDITH is essentially just the INSIGHT Helicarriers again, only they're made by Tony, and Far From Home is weirdly uncritical of that fact. It is portrayed as something that can be misused, but that's more put on Peter's shoulders for giving away control to someone untrustworthy, and not that the system's very existence is bad.
If EDITH is apparently okay, then it'd be hypocritical for anyone using EDITH to say Sentinels are bad.
Edited by GNinja on Dec 1st 2019 at 9:53:20 AM
Kaze ni Nare!Dresden guy’s redesigns are controversial but his idea for sentinels as robots disguised as PERFECTLY NORMAL HUMANS that walk amongst people was interesting
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI’ve never understood the rationale behind Sentinels being giant humanoid robots (besides comic book writers’ opinion that it looks cool). The US already has “robot assassins”, they’re called predator drones. Make them autonomous, give them a specific type of threat-detection software, and you’ve got non-humanoid Sentinels.
The thing about Sentinels is the intimidation factor is their biggest asset. If you see a fifty-foot robot on the street, you aren't going to fight, you are going to run, unless you are one of the X-Men. And then the Sentinel throws a net over you and catches you or something.
They lose that fear if they look like a drone. There are Sentinels that look like regular people — they are called Prime Sentinels
and they are actually people who are retrofitted with cybernetics, and the most advanced of these Prime Sentinels was called the Omega Sentinel
. They were used more for infiltration and subterfuge, however, but they could still work as part of the threat in a movie.
I would, however, love to see the Master Mold
in live action — just a giant Sentinel that makes other Sentinels. And then, perhaps, we could even get the Mother Mold
, a giant Sentinel head that orbits the sun and makes Master Molds. Of course, when Orchis (an anti-mutant organization) was being attacked by the X-Men and tried turning it on, it immediately rebelled against them:
- If man made me, then they are God. And you are titans, their spoiled lineage... But while you war, we children sit in judgment of those above us... We judge and find you both wanting. Do you hear us, Olympus? We have stolen your fire...and with it, we will burn you all.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 1st 2019 at 4:02:41 AM

ICE isn't a corporation, though, it's the government.
Leviticus 19:34