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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#113151: Nov 28th 2019 at 9:44:51 AM

[up]Slow news day, huh?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#113153: Nov 28th 2019 at 10:25:21 AM

Thanks giving to be precise

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#113154: Nov 28th 2019 at 10:57:17 AM

The King of Wakanda vs The King of Atlantis would make for a great movie.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#113155: Nov 28th 2019 at 10:59:38 AM

I’d love for Namor to get the MCU treatment, because he’s just asshole Aquaman in the comics.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113156: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:01:56 AM

Didn’t T’Challa shoot him in the face once?

Like, not clawed him with Panther claws, or fight him King to King, but just straight up cap him? Because Namor is that much of an asshole?

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#113157: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:06:17 AM

> I’d love for Namor to get the MCU treatment, because he’s just asshole Aquaman in the comics.

That's the problem,audiences are already familiar with Aquaman so Namor would have a radically different approach,but truth be told more people know about Aquaman then they do Namor anyway

I expect when he does appear they'll run an ad campaign to promote his film along the lines of "He's not Aquaman and he does not talk to fish!He's abit of a jerk though"

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#113158: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:12:13 AM

If we're talking differences from Aquaman, making Namor a real pompous asshole would be a good way to separate the two. I've always thought Namor works best when he straddles the line between full-on villain and anti-hero, he should be closer to the villain from the Aquaman movie than he is to Aquaman himself.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113159: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:19:53 AM

Cool as it could be, though, I’d rather they bolstered Black Panther’s own mythos and villains rather than pit him against other characters’ antagonists and characters, at least for now. I want to see T’Challa fight Doom or Namor, but I’d rather see that at the end of the trilogy and see one of his own stories adapted in the middle movie.

That said, I’m taking this with a grain of salt. The fact that only a couple smaller websites are hosting this news at all without any real sources is suspect.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#113160: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:31:58 AM

Is it news, though? All we've seem to have learned is that the next Black Panther movie will have a title of seven letters.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2019 at 11:35:40 AM

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#113161: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:49:58 AM

It's just a rumor at this point, and something of a tenuous one given that the only source for it is this guy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 28th 2019 at 11:52:14 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#113162: Nov 28th 2019 at 11:55:32 AM

I'd rather they use an actual BP villain instead of shoe horning Namor or Doom into a sequel.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#113163: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:07:30 PM

Looking at his character page, the only prominent one that either hasn't been done in the MCU or isn't something racist is Mephisto.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Nov 28th 2019 at 3:07:47 PM

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#113164: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:13:43 PM

And he was from the horrible Hudlin run.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#113165: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:15:16 PM

You're forgetting Reverend Achebe and the villains from A Nation Under Our Feet (Tetu and Zenzi).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 28th 2019 at 12:16:25 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#113166: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:15:50 PM

[up][up]I don't remember if he showed up in the Hudlin run, but Mephisto was an antagonist in Priest's run.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 28th 2019 at 12:17:50 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#113167: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:18:10 PM

The first arc of Priest’s run had T’Challa punching out Mephisto & then cutting out his heart.

He also struck a deal with Ross to give him pants forever.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#113168: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:18:41 PM

I think Mephisto and Achebe would be a pretty cool teamup actually.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113169: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:39:21 PM

Agreed on Achebe with Mephisto as a mix between Bigger Bad and The Dark Side, as an Evil Counterpart to T'Challa and the Panther spirituality.

That's really the most obvious thing to do with T'Challa right now, especially since Achebe's thing is destabilizing Wakanda after a big political upheaval.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#113170: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:43:54 PM

Definitely be an opponent T’Challa can’t just punch out.

He must be challenged as a king.

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#113171: Nov 28th 2019 at 12:54:13 PM

I think the villain in BP 2 will probably be Achebe, yeah.

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Doctor of Doctorates
#113172: Nov 28th 2019 at 1:04:39 PM

Achebe makes the most sense for sure, although I can see M'baku as a sympathetic antagonist too, not necessarily a physical enemy but being ultra traditionalist to the radical T'Challa.

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#113173: Nov 28th 2019 at 1:16:23 PM

I'd figure Achebe as the main antagonist, with some relative of M'baku (cousin, brother, uncle) as a Decomposite Character of sorts to portray the more villainous side of Jabari as a retrograde traditionalists challenging M'baku's rule while Achebe challenges T'challa's.

In my dreams I picture Wesley Snipes as a Age Lift version of Mandla (M'baku's brother in the comics, possibly changed here to his father or his uncle given the 34 year age gap between Snipes and Duke).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 28th 2019 at 1:18:04 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113174: Nov 28th 2019 at 1:22:02 PM

I could see M'Baku as taking an antagonistic role after being misled or led to believe that Wakanda was doomed unless he took over (which is something Achebe would probably do), but I don't want to.

Duke's M'Baku works so well as The Lancer and a reluctant ally. After such a endearing arc from "guy who tries to take over" to loyal ally willing to give the new way a chance, I'd rather not see the character backslide. There's already a decent chance he's going to die at some point.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 28th 2019 at 1:22:36 AM

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#113175: Nov 28th 2019 at 1:24:37 PM

We need to learn who was ruling Wakanda in the five years while T'challa and Shuri were dusted.


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