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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#113126: Nov 27th 2019 at 11:32:28 AM

It wasn't until I looked it up on the MCU wiki, but apparently the name of the city in Age of Ultron was actually Novi Grad. I don't think it was ever said out loud in the film itself, unless it was on a sign in the background or something.

It's kind of weird, because the films always refer to the location as Sokovia, which made me wonder if the entire city was all there was to the country.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#113127: Nov 27th 2019 at 5:08:33 PM

Yeah, from the dialogue I assumed Sokovia was a city-state.

AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#113128: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:15:36 PM

Here's where I think the upcoming MCU movies will take place...

Edited by AmourMitts on Nov 28th 2019 at 3:57:06 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#113129: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:25:29 PM

Why would they make 4 prequels. One I can see, four in a row not likely, especially when they’re sequels in their own series.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 27th 2019 at 6:26:07 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#113130: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:27:39 PM

[up][up] None of that really makes sense. Yeah, Black Widow is going to be an interquel, but that's because she's dead now. What's the point of making sequels if you're not going to follow up on what happened after Endgame? Especially Love and Thunder, since Ragnarok definitely happened after Civil War and Thor was busy self-destructing during the Time Skip.

The only one I can see happening is setting the Captain Marvel sequel during an earlier point in the timeline, since that's what the first film already did.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Nov 27th 2019 at 9:27:57 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#113131: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:32:13 PM

Captain Marvel's sequel is definitely gonna be another prequel, gonna see her take down the Supreme Intelligence.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 27th 2019 at 6:32:45 AM

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#113133: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:50:51 PM

The next film is actually going to be about us watching Captain America live a long life in the past for the next two hours, concluding with us watching him die in his sleep.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113134: Nov 27th 2019 at 7:14:56 PM

What with the direct set up in Homecoming, I'd be pretty surprised if Captain Marvel was a midquel.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#113135: Nov 27th 2019 at 7:23:47 PM

[up]x4 I won't say definitely on that front, because of two characters: Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan.

A key benefit of Monica Rambeau being a child in Captain Marvel is that she will be an adult in a modern day sequel and can then become Spectrum. While the adult Monica Rambeau is slated to appear in WandaVision, it's highly improbable she will already be Spectrum then. And while I won't rule her out becoming Spectrum in WandaVision because that show looks to be absolutely bananas and I can't rule out anything regarding it, it would still leave us in a situation where we don't get a proper appearance of Spectrum in a Captain Marvel movie until the 3rd one if the 2nd is an interquel.

Then there is of course Kamala Khan. Looking at the schedule, it seems like her Disney+ show will likely run before Captain Marvel 2 is released. Which means a modern day sequel could include Kamala Khan.

And on a more general note, a character as powerful as Carol Danvers is tricky to write. And depicting a battle that we already know she won might not lend itself to an especially engaging movie.

Edited by Falrinn on Nov 27th 2019 at 10:24:03 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#113136: Nov 27th 2019 at 7:54:56 PM

That is true.

Thanos had to temporarily make the Infinity Gauntlet weaker just to get her off him (though looking back, he still tossing even her around, most of the time; it's only when she grabs the glove to stop him from snapping that she gains a real advantage).

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#113137: Nov 27th 2019 at 9:12:50 PM

[up] Overall, I think the way to challenge Carol Danvers is to give her a more intellectual opponent. Someone who knows they aren't likely to win a straight fight against her, so they operate by denying Carol a straight fight.

Even in a modern setting this could very well be the Supreme Intelligence. It would simply be after Carol won her initial victories against them. In this context the Supreme Intelligence may of spent close to 30 years entirely on the question of how to defeat Carol Danvers once and for all and is finally ready to put the plan into motion.

Which as an added bonus provides a handy reason to include Spectrum in the story. Carol will need help from someone the Supreme Intelligence isn't able to so wholly predict.

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#113138: Nov 27th 2019 at 11:36:12 PM

The thing about intellectual opponents is that they still need to provide some measure of threat. When strong heroes fight smart villains, the immediate question that needs to be answered is, "What's going to stop Carol from just walking right into the Supreme Intelligence's throne room/chamber/processing center/whatever and punching it right in its smug face?"

The Supreme Intelligence can calculate and scheme and predict and foresee that Carol will make a beeline straight for it and beat it within an inch of its life. It's a predictable response, sure. So plebian. Not very clever at all.

But if it doesn't have a way to actually stop her from doing that, none of its plans really mean shit. To quote The Heavy from Team Fortress 2, "I have yet to meet someone who can outsmart a bullet."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 27th 2019 at 12:39:08 PM

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#113139: Nov 27th 2019 at 11:47:53 PM

Like, the usual reason why Superman can't just punch Lex Luthor through a wall with 1% of his power is because it would be all over the news the next day and destroy Sup's reputation. And Lex knows it which is why his gambits are able to go so far.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 27th 2019 at 11:48:48 AM

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#113140: Nov 28th 2019 at 4:27:56 AM

A pretty simple solution would be for the villain to have a lackey that acts as the muscle.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113141: Nov 28th 2019 at 5:13:30 AM

Or the villain to simply not be in a position to be punched in the face in the first place.

Carol is, after all, not omniscient.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#113142: Nov 28th 2019 at 6:48:04 AM

[up] Yeah, in the scenario I'm imagining Carol did march into the Supreme Intelligence's chamber and wrecked the place decades ago. But that's not necessary where the Supreme Intelligence physically is, just where people go to commune with it most of the time.

It's quite possible that the Supreme Intelligence being very...intelligent...realized that having a big obvious static physical location was a terrible idea.

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#113143: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:10:26 AM

I admit I'm interested in seeing Marvel fight the Intelligence. Their short confrontation was, in my mind, the real climax of Captain Marvel, while everything that came after it was a prolonged victory lap. It was my favourite scene in the film.

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#113144: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:20:44 AM

She blew up the Supreme Intelligence but it was like fighting Mother Brain in Metroid 1

Just shooting a giant brain

Next time, the Supreme Intelligence is going to have a mech body

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113145: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:22:51 AM

I don’t think the Supreme Intelligence or the Kree are going to be the Big Bad in the next film (at least, not without a very big shakeup and change to their status quo), but if they are there are ways they could do it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 28th 2019 at 8:24:48 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#113146: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:37:55 AM

We're in rumor territory with this one, but we MIGHT have an idea on who's the big bad guy for Black Panther 2. And it's pretty HUGE.

Insider Charles Murphy made a tease regarding Black Panther 2's actual title: Black Panther: _ _ _ _ _ _ _. The only event that could fit that subtitle is "Doomwar", which had T'Challa and all of Wakanda going against you guessed it, DOCTOR. MOTHERFRICKING. DOOM.

It goes without saying that if it's bogus, I will be most unamused.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 28th 2019 at 11:39:52 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#113147: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:45:59 AM

Unfortunately, your premise requires that the title is about a specific event at all. Seven letters isn't much to go on.

Plus, what would you even be angry at? The title having eight letters? Two words?

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2019 at 9:42:32 AM

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#113148: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:47:35 AM

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oh no

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 28th 2019 at 4:49:30 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#113150: Nov 28th 2019 at 9:43:51 AM

[up] (*Counts the letters in "Invader".*)

Damn it, it does...sad


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