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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#113001: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:14:58 AM

Again, if you need an excuse to have Mutants yet keep them so rare they couldn't be accounted for until post-Endgame, have them be people "mutated" with powers while they were still embryos because of Infinity Stone meddling and that when Thanos used them for the Snap/Blip, more individuals were born as Mutants because Thanos used all five of them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113002: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:17:48 AM

Man, I really want - like - a proto-Avengers film. Like, a film where Hank and Janet are part of an experimental ragtag group of heroes in the 60's that horribly falls apart, so everything thinks it's a lost cause until Fury comes along with the Avengers idea.

They could do the Invaders, even, but replace Cap with Jan and Hank. The two of them, plus the Original Human Torch and Namor, with it all going belly up because Namor. And to tie it back into the mutant angle, throw in Wolverine (Namor's a mutant, but less obviously so in-universe than Wolvie), but have it so nobody really knows what to call him yet.

I also really want to see a small scale hero team movie. Like, a group of "regular joe heroes" with powers fight against something big, with less of a "we're an semi-governmental institution of heroism!" theme like the Avengers films and more of a "we're just trying to do the right thing in a crazy world" theme.

The shows have done that from time to time, but I want to see it in a movie. Maybe that's how Young Avengers should be, if it happens.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2019 at 1:18:44 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#113003: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:22:44 AM

Is that a thing? How far back does the "enhanced" label go in the MCU?

We definitely know they've had people with superpowers for ages, even before Captain Marvel.

When Fury was discussing his initial proposal for the Avenger's initiative, I read the dialogue as indicating that he doesn't have information on any current enhanced individuals running around.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113004: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:24:02 AM

But we knew there have been enhanced people in general before that point, even if Fury didn't have any information on anyone right at that time, don't we? Because Ant-Man and Cap exist, and there were enough experiments gone horribly wrong to re-create Cap that Ross knew about the risk of Blonsky turning into an enhanced muscle-psycho (just not a gamma powered enhanced muscle psycho - that part came later).

I read that more as "we don't have any candidates right now, but we will." Less that there aren't any other enhanced people, more that there was nobody to consider but he was prepared for the moment there would be.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2019 at 1:27:45 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#113005: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:57:26 AM

Man, I really want - like - a proto-Avengers film. Like, a film where Hank and Janet are part of an experimental ragtag group of heroes in the 60's that horribly falls apart, so everything thinks it's a lost cause until Fury comes along with the Avengers idea.
There are several choices for the proto-Avengers, actually:
  • There's the Agents of Atlas (which actually started with a What If? issue called "What If... the Avengers Had Been Formed During the 1950's?"): Jimmy Woo, Gorilla-Man, Marvel Boy, Namora, Venus, and M-11 the Human Robot.
  • There was the 1950's Avengers, which consisted of Nick Fury and Dum-Dum Dugan putting together a team made up of Sabretooth, Dominic Fortune, Namora (again), Kraven the Hunter, Bloodstone, Silver Sable, and the Blonde Phantom.
  • Then there's First Line, which is basically John Byrne answering the question "Wait, if the sliding timeline keeps going, that means there's a ton of time when there weren't any superheroes? So...what happened then?" They actually operated from the '50s all the way up to the '80s and consisted of Yankee Clipper, Black Fox, Liberty Girl, and Nightingale, with others (including several Eternals) joining later on. Their adventures were all revealed in a book called Marvel: The Lost Generation.
  • And then, finally, there were the Mighty Avengers from the 1970s. They consisted of the Bear, Kaluu, Adam Brashear, James Lucas (who is Luke Cage's father), and Constance Molina fighting against an evil group called the "Deathwalkers."

Edited by alliterator on Nov 24th 2019 at 1:58:59 AM

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#113006: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:30:51 AM

I still think the easiest way to explain the sudden existence of mutants is....

Well, to clarify, the easiest way to explain the sudden existence of mutants it that a super-powerful telepath is using his immense psychic powers and hologram technology to mask their existence. "The X-Men were a secret until they weren't" is a plot point that comes up all the time in X-media.

But if we're setting that aside, then the easiest way to explain the sudden existence of mutants is the Blip. Just throw in a Hand Wave about how, of the 3.5 billion people who Blipped, maybe 1% of them had some sort of freakish alteration to their biology from the Infinity Gems.

3.5 million people suddenly having superpowers is a significant enough number to cause widespread attention. And, as a bonus, asserting that "genetically mutated by Infinity Gems = mutants" would retroactively make Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver into mutants.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#113007: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:41:19 AM

as someone who first dipped my toes in with Guardians of the Galaxy, it's fine. It's largely just fine. It was hot shit for the time that worked well on getting the team together, but aside from just never jiving with me THAT much compared to Guardians, its feels glaringly outdone and played out.

I am the opposite. To this day I don't care for Guardians because Far Scape outshines it in almost every way I care about except for budget. I've never grasped the charm of Peter Quill, Rocket Raccoon, or Groot. Drax is fun I guess.w Ronan is a filler villain. I never gave Guardians 2 a chance but I know they all pretty much survive into Infinity War and most of what happens in Guardians 2 beyond Gamora and Quill growing closer doesn't seem to matter much.

Avengers is pretty much the film that got me to keep watching the Marvel films all the way to now because holy crap the culmination of several films and proof that you can have Cap, Stark, and Hulk in the same movie. While I can see how it might come off as dated the Battle for New York is something I could watch repeatedly. It's just that cool of a scene.

The prologue is a bit of a slog though. It's also annoying that this is pretty much the last time in the MCU's timeline Fury gets to have a major role.

Edited by Soble on Nov 24th 2019 at 6:45:42 AM

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#113008: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:44:42 PM

Thinking it over, if they went with "Any Infinity Stone tampering can cause babies to be born with superpowers" the timescale would work pretty well.

(Any mutant born before 1942 can be attributed to a wizard used the Time Stone in that year for some reason or another).

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#113009: Nov 24th 2019 at 12:48:43 PM

The Ancient One: "I hate waiting for my microwave burrito to be ready. ... Hmmm....."
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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#113010: Nov 24th 2019 at 1:44:36 PM

There is a reason why they warned against overusing it.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#113011: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:00:04 PM

So what are some c-list villains you'd like to see show up in a Marvel film? Wrecking Crew could be fun, and Trapster might work as a cold opening villain for Spidey.

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#113012: Nov 24th 2019 at 2:02:30 PM

The Spot because of his portal ability is cool as well his costume

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 24th 2019 at 10:02:53 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113013: Nov 24th 2019 at 4:27:08 PM

I’d want them to save Trapster for Human Torch. I joke that I really want the Hypno Hustler to show up, though.

As for the others, the Living Laser has always been really high in my list of “minor villains I want to see.”

Also, Whirlwind. Given that he’s the closest thing there is to an archenemy for the Wasp, it’d be great to see him in Ant Man 3 or whenever Cassie becomes Stature.

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#113014: Nov 24th 2019 at 5:51:50 PM

Hopefully they'd give Whirlwind a slightly different motivation than the comics version, who was mainly a Stalker with a Crush towards Wasp.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#113015: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:08:55 PM

I loved him in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, in which he had a very Silver Age Spider-Man style “colorful robber who gets humiliated by the hero, becoming constantly annoyed that the hero keeps showing up and eventually obsessed with beating them” schtick, making him a largely comedic breather in the midst of more serious stories.

He’d be perfect that way in a more “just some fun, comic book style” series like Ant-Man.

Plus he’s a mutant, and so could contribute to the set up mutants even if he himself is less serious a character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2019 at 6:25:48 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#113016: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:10:52 PM

Boy is he destructive.

Of course its only logical since he can summon tornadoes.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#113017: Nov 24th 2019 at 6:11:29 PM

Most of my experience with Whirlwind comes from that really old Avengers arcade game, and being the bad guy for one of the Ant-Man shorts.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#113018: Nov 25th 2019 at 7:58:40 AM

My first exposure to Whirlwind was in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, where he looked kinda like something from Mega Man.

If we're talking about formerly-Fox-owned characters, I really want to see them tackle Annihilus and Mojo. Don't know who'd fight them since the Guardians have one last movie left, so...

And random question: why are people so fixated on Taron Egerton as Wolverine? Not that I can't see it, but he kinda went out of his way to say it wasn't happening. Do people just love the idea that much?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#113019: Nov 25th 2019 at 8:03:15 AM

I dunno, I'd like to see a Wolverine with a Cockney accent.

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#113020: Nov 25th 2019 at 8:04:47 AM

Would it be better then an Australian Wolverine?

Wait, if Wolverine's from Canada, particularly when it was French, why doesn't he have a Canadian/French accent?

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#113021: Nov 25th 2019 at 8:04:54 AM

oh god I'm just picturing Wolferine being played by the most English actor ever

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#113022: Nov 25th 2019 at 9:16:55 AM

Another update to The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. New photos from the set are alluding to another character never seen in the MCU...

Context: The Hoskins in "Hoskins Family Flowers" seems to reference Lemar Hoskins, who in the comics served with John Walker in the army and when Walker was getting introduced as a superhero, Hoskins and some others staged an attack on Walker posing as something called the Bold Urban Commandos, or Buckies, so Walker could have a fight to prove himself to the crowd. Hoskins would become the new Bucky when John Walker became the government-approved Captain America, and then come up with a new identity, Battlestar, due to "Bucky" having some pretty offensive meanings.

If it's going where I think it's going, Walker and Hoskins could serve as the perfect evil counterpart duo for Sam and Bucky to deal with.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 25th 2019 at 12:18:39 PM

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#113024: Nov 26th 2019 at 1:07:48 PM

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#113025: Nov 26th 2019 at 1:20:17 PM

Say what you will about Doctor Strange, but it has two things going for it that no other MCU movie has: the beautifully trippy visuals and the awesome way Strange deals with Dormammu, by annoying the shit out of him.

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