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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#112876: Nov 21st 2019 at 2:54:41 PM

If we go by the logic that the creator is essentially an android's parent, that makes Vision Ultron's son and brother, since Ultron and Tony both did the work on him. Then again, you could also include Bruce and maybe Thor if you go by that logic.

Father's Day must be hectic for Vision.

As a side note, I was looking at some quotes from AOU again, and it's mentioned at one point that the Avengers can't destroy the cradle with Vision because the Mind Stone could overload and take out the entire city. I know that's not brought up again in Infinity War and the damage wasn't extensive as they predicted, but I guess that's another justification for why they didn't just kill Vision to destroy the Mind Stone.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Nov 21st 2019 at 6:01:01 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112877: Nov 21st 2019 at 2:55:35 PM

[up]Thor just charge vision, he is the equivalent of a nurse of a doctor in this scenario.

Still weirdest father day ever.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#112878: Nov 21st 2019 at 2:58:37 PM

Saying Tony had a child with Bruce must make for fun reactions at dinner.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112879: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:02:14 PM

And to think Vision & Ultron's family situation is even weirder in the comics.

Here's a family tree. Ultron is a Pym son of Hank & Janet. Vision & Victor Mancha are brothers due to being Ultron's creation & ergo Hank & Janet's grandsons. Victor is a Runaway while Vision married Scarlet Witch who is sister of Quicksilver, Polaris, & the daughter of Magneto.

Quicksilver married Crystal of the Inhuman royal family & had a child with her which makes Black Bolt an in-law to Hank, Ultron, & Magneto.

And then Cyclops/Scott Summers is like a surrogate son to Magneto especially because his actual son is a constant disappointment & embarrassment. Meaning we can add in the Summers family to the tree which includes Scott's brothers once of which is a genocidal space warlord & his space pirate father & the Grey family which includes Jean Grey, Cable, & Hope.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:02:46 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112880: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:02:25 PM

Now I'm remembering the issue of Unstoppable Wasp where Viv tries to explain the Pym-Vision family tree, and straight up blue-screens at some parts.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#112881: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:04:33 PM

[up]Literally?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112882: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:07:41 PM

Oh right I forgot Vision's family whose wife was produced from Wanda's brainwaves.

Also Vision was produced by Wonder Man's brainwaves.

And I don't even know how to explain Jocasta especially since I think Hank may have dated her once.

[up][up] Which issue?

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:09:37 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112884: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:15:11 PM

It was Unstoppable Wasp #7 (2018).

"Nadia, you are related to Tommy Shepherd and William Kaplan via- ERROR!"

She also assures Nadia it's a good thing she's not related to Hercules and his even more convoluted family tree.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:19:46 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112885: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:20:54 PM

Oh right I also forgot Wanda's dead reincarnated kids.

[up][up] Ha little does Nadia know Tony's already hunted down by assassins & spurned exes every day so a new one is just a drop in the pond. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:21:04 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112886: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:21:03 PM

Okay, so in the comics, Hank Pym built Ultron who built the Vision, whose brain waves were based on Wonder Man, who has a brother named the Grim Reaper. The Vision then marries Scarlet Witch and has two children, but they turn out to actually be part of the soul of Mephisto and then get reincarnated into Wiccan and Speed, making them the quasi-children of the Vision and the Scarlet Witch. Then a Skrull who impersonated Hank has a son with Tigra and since Skrull Hank technically had Hank's DNA, he's considered Hank's son just for simplicity's sake. Then the Vision built a wife, Virginia, using Scarlet Witch's brain patterns and then they combined their brain patterns for their children Vin and Viv. Meanwhile, it was revealed that Hank actually had a daughter, Nadia, with his first wife, whom everyone thought died, but was actually held captive until Nadia was born. Also, in an alternate universe, Hank and Janet had two kids, Hank Jr (Big Man) and Hope (the Red Queen). Oh and Janet also had a daughter with Havoc in timeline that was erased, but I think everyone forgot about her. Oh and Ultron built Victor Mancha, making him like Vision's brother and Viv's uncle. Ultron also built Jocasta, Alkhema, and Antigone, all of whom rebelled against him.

Everyone clear now?

Edited by alliterator on Nov 21st 2019 at 3:23:16 AM

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#112887: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:39:56 PM

Vision can put relationship status “it’s complicated” on every relationship he has

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#112888: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:42:11 PM

Or just "legally related, don't ask how"

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#112889: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:45:34 PM

Vision is the child of Ultron and Stark, and Ultron is Stark's child.

So Vision is a product of incest, alas.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112890: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:46:02 PM

Imagine a family barbecue comprised of the Pym family, the Lensher family, the Boltagon family, & the Summers+Grey family.

Hank, Magneto, Bolt, & Cyclops can fight to decide who's the grill master.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Former King
#112891: Nov 21st 2019 at 3:53:23 PM

Hank is the smartest when it comes to what burgers to use.

Erik has the best grilling technique.

Scott specializes in cooking hot dogs.

Black Bolt is just a generic cook unless you like to have barbecues in a crater.

The legend has returned.
123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#112892: Nov 21st 2019 at 4:10:25 PM

[up][up][up]I thought Vision was more of a product of Ultron and Cho to ignore the incest subtext.

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Let’s Have the Dark Courage to Sin Tonight
#112893: Nov 21st 2019 at 5:02:16 PM

I just watched it. Ultron abducted and brainwashed Helen Cho to use her biotech with adamantium to create a bio-cybernetic body but the Avengers caught up to ‘em before it could be finished. Stark and Banner then absconded with the half-finished body and tried to merge it with what was left of Jarvis. They were interrupted by Steve Rogers and the Maximoffs though but before they could intervene in the second crazy experiment from Stark and Banner in as many days Thor crashed the party and lightninged the pod to finish the job. Thus, Vision was born. With the Soul Stone. I didn’t catch where he got that from because I wasn’t paying that much attention. It’s Age of Ultron, it doesn’t exactly keep you engage.

Happy days are here again though because now I’m on Ant-Man. Awwwww yeeeeah.

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#112894: Nov 21st 2019 at 5:09:00 PM

[up]Mind Stone. They got it from Loki's Staff.

tiamkara Let’s Have the Dark Courage to Sin Tonight from Augusta, GA Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#112895: Nov 21st 2019 at 5:09:49 PM

Oh. Duh. I know where they get the Soul Stone from. Idk how I forgot that when were were just talking about Natasha a few days ago.

Edited by tiamkara on Nov 21st 2019 at 5:10:14 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#112896: Nov 21st 2019 at 5:13:52 PM

Eh, orange and yellow are kind of similar colors. And Mind and Soul are sort of similar concepts. I can understand some confusion there.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112897: Nov 21st 2019 at 5:27:54 PM

One moment it call my atention is how bruce lock wanda and tell something of "come on, enter my mind to see how angry im" or something like that, which it really showcase how pissed bruce is a wanda by messing with his head.

In fact, is why I often bring wanda action because the movie really point that out without understanding why.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#112898: Nov 21st 2019 at 6:06:06 PM

@ultimatum: Thanks for posting that scene. It's awesome. Man, it's been so long since I've sat to rewatch the older stuff. I need to (still haven't been able to get my sis to sync her schedule with mine in order to finish Phase 3 unfortunately).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112899: Nov 21st 2019 at 6:40:33 PM

... I do wonder what Banner's opinion of Wanda is now. When Banner noped away from Earth, it was just after she switched sides and I don't think they ever interacted during the battle with Ultron. When he returned to Earth, they again never really interacted and she died soon after.

I don't think they've had a single conversation since that time Banner told her he wanted to throttle her without turning a hint of green. So... awkward, I guess.

It's kind of funny, though, but Banner is the only founding Avenger who is both alive and not retired/doing soul searching. He's kind of the Big Good of the Avengers right now, whatever Fury's doing in space nonwithstanding.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 21st 2019 at 6:42:13 AM

tiamkara Let’s Have the Dark Courage to Sin Tonight from Augusta, GA Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Let’s Have the Dark Courage to Sin Tonight
#112900: Nov 21st 2019 at 6:53:13 PM

Have we even heard about Ruffalo’s contract status?

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