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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
This isn't the only time they changed stuff around to avoid mentioning Nazis. For example, they changed Zemo's backstory from being a Nazi to being a Sokovian soldier.
MCU Cap is more or less the only version of Cap that we never actually see fight a Nazi.
Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2019 at 2:37:45 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedAnd that was Thor the 1st watched. Yeah, you know what? That was actually pretty neat. Not great, you can probably say it has some of that Phase 1 rust about it, the Dutch angles are out of hand, but I still had a good time. Respectable intro to our boy Thor, and definitely better than TIH or Iron Man 2. Sadly it would take six years for him to actually have an intriguing arc again.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 20th 2019 at 11:30:44 AM
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Eventually they said HYDRA was created because they belive mankind cant be trusted and used nazism as way to forcely strip eveyrone on their freedom.
They are nazis, but more in the "put a boot in your face" and "death camp are a little too much, just brainwashing would do the trick".
In short, they are enough nazis to punch them in the face and feel good about it but not enough to use swastica or saying white power or any of that shit, weird? sure but is how it is.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"And because I gave into temptation, I went and watched Thor: The Dark World. Alright, so that wasn't very good. The complaints often lodged against it are justified; the earthbound characters really all just suck, the color grading in places (particularly London during the finale and Svartalfheim) is...unappealling, Thor has nary an interesting arc, Frigga is underused and then killed off (gz Endgame for at least improving in this department), Malekith aka These Fucks are nothing villains, etc. That being said, I didn't come out totally hating it. There are enough moments, lines, action beats and shots to keep it afloat. On that note, Loki is rather good throughout, getting the best moments (and the best gag what with shifting into Steve Rogers). I won't be racing to watch this again but when all's said and done, I don't think this is actually the worst movie in the MCU, nor is it even the worst thing I've willingly seen this year.
And with that, I've done it. I've seen every movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe! And all before the decade is complete, all before Phase 4 begins with Black Widow. Just gotta make myself catch up with the TV/Netflix shows now...
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)I actually like Edward Norton better in the role then Mark Ruffalo. I felt like he fit the character better. I also thought Betty was a very good love interest and that she and Banner had great chemistry. At least better than him and Black Widow.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 21st 2019 at 8:40:50 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadHydra in the movies aren't Nazis. Fascists, sure, but they never show any signs of racial supremacy, not even Red Skull himself (in STARK contrast to his comic book counterpart). Them having members of various nationalities in the present only emphasizes that.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianI didn't really care about Betty or banner in TIH because the film never properly establishes their characters or gives me a reason to care about them. It's the reason why it's so hard to care about anything in that film. Ang lee's hulk film, flawed as it may have been, at least managed to do that reasonably well.
Yeah, I kind of agree with that. The only other bit I think it adds is that it explains why Tony and Pepper weren't together during Civil War, but Tony sums up everything the audience needed to know at that point. It also establishes that Tony has some lingering trauma from the events of the first Avengers film, which leads to his actions in Age of Ultron and Civil War.
It probably would've been more relevant to the overall plot had it been Tony's last hurrah in the series, but that's not the case. Of course, the Mandarin's going to appear for real in Shang-Chi, so we might get a reference to the events of Iron Man 3 there so audiences won't be confused. I wouldn't be surprised if Trevor Slattery appeared again in custody of the Ten Rings, just to establish that he stole the Mandarin's identity for those who haven't seen All Hail the King.
Movie Red Skull is essentially Voldemort: the leader of a regime built upon racism and a sense of superiority, which he himself uses as an excuse to prop himself up as a person as superior to his group as they consider themselves superior to others.
This isn’t speculation: it’s explicitly part of the exposition in the First Avenger. Schmidt’s backstory involves him believing so much in the Nazi ideal of the superior man / master race that he became obsessed with becoming even grander than that: the master of the master race. He then went on to build HYDRA as “Nazis, but better, because it puts me on top.”
He’s an egomaniac who built a cult around himself specifically, but that doesn’t make him not a Nazi. He never stopped being one.
The question wasn’t whether HYDRA ever drifted from Nazism (it’s repeatedly noted throughout later installments that post-Schmidt HYDRA is a very different beast), it was whether Cap had ever fought Nazi’s throughout their career.
Whether they’re more akin to to Neo-Nazis In he present isn’t really as important to what’s being asked, because Cap also fought them before that shift took place.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 21st 2019 at 9:00:53 AM
Movie Red Skull is also Voldemort because he's a noseless gonk with magic powers that is basically immortal, so that's pretty funny.
The legend has returned.Yeah, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. retconned things by revealing that HYDRA was formed hundreds of years ago to worship Hive, the original Inhuman. So, they're not technically a neo-Nazi group since they predate the Nazis by a large margin.
On the other hand, the modern incarnation of HYDRA was descended from the Nazi splinter group, and they still practice fascist policies. So it's still cool to see Cap punch them in the face.

HYDRA were Nazis. They were just a splinter group that thought they should be in charge instead of Hitler.