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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#112751: Nov 19th 2019 at 10:17:59 PM

Honestly, I think Loki's storyline in The Dark World is so good that it's worth watching the movie for, if even just for that. There's not a lot great in that movie, but there are a few things here and there.

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#112752: Nov 20th 2019 at 7:20:45 AM

I’m on Iron Man 3 now. Is it just me or is this movie a bunch of really good scenes that aren’t put together quite right? There’s something a little off about its pacing.

Yeah, the film is overshadowed by the "Killian: Does He Suck?" argument, but there is actually a lot to like in Iron Man 3. For me, personally, the House Party Protocol is one of my favorite action sequences in the MCU.

"The hero or villain activates LITERALLY ALL OF THE IRON MANS AT ONCE" is a very popular idea in the comics. So popular that basically every writer who has ever written Tony Stark, whether in his solo comic or an Avengers one, has done that at least once. Writers love bringing the whole armory to life to either fight a villain or fight the heroes. Because it's really f*cking cool.

So seeing it happen on the big screen is one of those things that we really, desperately needed to see happen before Iron Man leaves the franchise. And Iron Man 3 delivered in a really cool blowout action scene.

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#112753: Nov 20th 2019 at 8:33:29 AM

Yeah. Even though Iron Man 3 is the only MCU movie I hate (the other contenders, The Dark World, Incredible Hulk and Age of Ultron don't even dent me), I agree it had some spectacular ideas, and executed a lot of them well.

Even the thing with Killian was good idea, just poorly executed (and with the wrong person). But that reveal about the Mandarin....damn, did that put a knife in the entire movie for me.

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#112754: Nov 20th 2019 at 9:53:41 AM

For me it was the Mandarin reveal and using wounded soldiers as supersoliders,seriously what the fuck?

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#112755: Nov 20th 2019 at 9:57:11 AM

For me it's not just the Mandarin twist. The resolution to Tony's PTSD (the most compelling part of the movie) is underwhelming, and between that and the Mandarin twist the third act just collapses as the movie becomes completely devoid of things to care about.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2019 at 1:57:39 PM

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#112756: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:03:53 AM

PTSD is one of those themes that (obviously) don't work well in a wacky film.

And Iron Man 3 was probably THE most humorous film out of the trilogy, in spite of what the trailes showed.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 20th 2019 at 7:04:02 PM

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#112757: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:19:47 AM

They couldn't have known it at the time but honestly, through the benefit of hindsight, it may actually have been better to not address and "resolve" Tony's PTSD.

Tony being shell-shocked about Thanos, the extraterrestrial threat that could be coming for Earth any day now and about whom we literally know nothing about, feeds very well into his roles in Age of Ultron, Civil War, and ultimately Infinity War and Endgame.

Tony has a very strong character arc ripe for the plucking, but somewhat marred by the fact that many steps along that journey weren't supposed to be steps along that specific journey.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 20th 2019 at 11:22:49 AM

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#112758: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:22:16 AM

IM 3 doesn’t really resolve it.

Tony finds a way to help manage it and decides to seek help after the movie

And then since he decided to only confide in Bruce, not at all a therapist, he doesn’t really get better and his coping strategy starts driving Pepper away

It was a stopgap that worked for exactly one movie

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#112759: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:25:56 AM

Within the context of the movie, "Just build something" is the magical cure-all for Tony's PTSD. He immediately gets better and stops suffering any and all symptoms for the duration of the film.

Age of Ultron then uses Wanda's magical mind-f*ckery to revive Tony's freaked-out trauma for the same reason Tony still has an arsenal of Iron Man suits despite blowing all of his suits up at the end of Iron Man 3. 3 tried to provide an ending for a character that was not, by any means, ready to leave the franchise yet, and subsequent films consequentially went, "Yeah, no, forget everything that guy just said."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 20th 2019 at 11:29:37 AM

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#112760: Nov 20th 2019 at 10:31:25 AM

I mean I took the Bruce stinger to indicate that Tony very much wasn’t better, despite it being played as a joke

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#112761: Nov 20th 2019 at 11:30:30 AM

Is not only a iron man 3 problem, IM 2 have tony deal with is daddy issues or a least not being burdern by it, which it would ruin the emocional payoff of civil war.

Iron man does improve is on trilogy and the avenger movie pull him back HARD into a mess and a train wreck, looking tony at the end saying that he is not the armor to pretty much trying to lock the world into one is.....heartbreaking.

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#112762: Nov 20th 2019 at 4:36:19 PM

I’m back, I fell asleep halfway through Thor: The Dark World, and we’re beginning Winter Soldier now.

It’s only up from here.

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#112763: Nov 20th 2019 at 4:57:14 PM

I don't blame you, a lot of scenes in The Dark World accomplish little. And don't worry, The Winter Soldier is tied with Black Panther as my favorite MCU film of all time. If nothing else the thriller and action elements are very well crafted.

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#112764: Nov 20th 2019 at 4:58:07 PM

The Winter Soldier is a badass mofo.

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#112765: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:16:12 PM

CATWS is still one of my favorite MCU movies period. The only reason it's not my top favorite MCU movie is because Black Panther knocked it off the top spot.

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#112766: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:28:45 PM

Yeah TWS was actually the film that got me interested in the MCU again after IM 3 made me lose interest.

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#112767: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:31:36 PM

I only saw WS in full this year and it doesn't quite make my top 5 (doesn't help that I'd long spoiled the HYDRA twist for myself), but even I can agree it's a great time, and certainly one of the two much-needed kicks up the asshole for the MCU that year, alongside Guardians of course. Hard not to like.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 20th 2019 at 5:31:53 AM

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#112768: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:38:29 PM

WS and CW are among my favorites in the whole franchise. And Age of Ultron and Guardians of the Galaxy are coming up too. Gonna be a good night.

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#112769: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:42:38 PM

Ya know Ultron may have been a total punk & weakling but by God did James Spader give an awe-inspiring performance.

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Edited by slimcoder on Nov 20th 2019 at 5:43:03 AM

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#112770: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:44:54 PM

Best trailer in the franchise, too. When Ultron says “There are no strings on me.” it gives me chills. And then the music is from like Pinocchio or something.

Edited by tiamkara on Nov 20th 2019 at 5:45:05 AM

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#112771: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:45:50 PM

Ultron had a very good entrance too. He was actually very menacing.

It's a shame he didn't live up to that ultimately.

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#112772: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:50:07 PM

The party scene is hilarious. Add on Ultron’s entrance and the reference that comes back around in Endgame. That bit of Ao T is a very, very high point for the whole MCU.

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#112773: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:52:13 PM

I still like his final discussion with Vision too.

Mostly for the I was just born yesterday line.

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#112774: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:53:20 PM

Makes you wish Ultron came back for Endgame.

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#112775: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:57:09 PM

Their convo at the end is neat. Otherwise I can't comment, I haven't sat and watched Ao U since it was in theaters. Now that my folks got Disney+, maybe I'll look and see what's what on there.

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