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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#112701: Nov 19th 2019 at 4:28:03 PM

Why do we drive on the parkway and park in the driveway? Why does a nose run and feet smell?

Love coming across quotes like this. They mean so much more post-Endgame.

Steve Rogers: I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.

Tony Stark: I think I would just cut the wire.

Steve Rogers: Always a way out...

Edited by tiamkara on Nov 19th 2019 at 5:10:00 AM

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#112702: Nov 19th 2019 at 5:21:21 PM

Amen to that.

God Ragnarok cannot come soon enough. I think it might be my favorite of the franchise.

Also was that actual footage from Incredible Hulk that Coulson just gave to Stark?

Yep, it was. Edward Norton got The Other Darrin treatment and contractual licensing shenanigans prevent the MCU from making any further Hulk-centric films, but the events of Incredible Hulk are still canon to the MCU all the same.

I believe Bruce also has a line in the same film about "breaking Harlem", which is also a reference to Incredible Hulk.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 19th 2019 at 6:21:57 AM

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#112703: Nov 19th 2019 at 5:29:36 PM

Then the Infinity Stones are also lies, Bocaj. All I can conclude is that everything is lies! Everything is lies!

What's the point of Infinity Stones if you can't do Infinity Things!?

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 19th 2019 at 5:33:29 AM

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#112704: Nov 19th 2019 at 5:30:00 PM

Yes, I just saw it. There is indeed a reference to “breaking Harlem”. I assume that’s where the fight with Abomination/Blonsky took place. It’s been a reeeeeally long time since I last watched Incredible Hulk.

Also, this was mind blowing to me, may not be for you guys, but that quote I posted above got me thinking.

It really shows Stark’s growth as a character when, at the end of Endgame, Tony DOESN’T look for a way out. He straight up sacrifices himself. But what’s really neat about that is that this is why Stephen Strange couldn’t tell him about that conclusion. He knew that if he did Tony “Always a way out” Stark would try to find an alternative. The only way those events would take place as seen was if Stark came to the needed conclusion on his own. Through growth as a person. Well done, writers!

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#112705: Nov 19th 2019 at 6:01:04 PM

Someone I know pointed out that another thing about Endgame is that it once again refutes both Cap and Tony's previous claims again about everything important about you coming from a bottle and not being the one to make the sacrifice play respectively. Steve being worthy of Mjolnir has nothing to do with the Super Soldier formula, and Tony again shows that when push comes to shove, he will jump on the land mine for the good of everyone. Sure, they both proved the other wrong back in the Avengers (well, Steve did that well before then), but this kinda reinforces it once again.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 19th 2019 at 7:02:56 AM

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#112706: Nov 19th 2019 at 6:54:48 PM

[up][up][up] You can do infinity things with the infinity stones if you have infinity resistance to your skin being burned off your bones.

So, like. Wolverine.

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 19th 2019 at 9:56:37 AM

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#112707: Nov 19th 2019 at 6:57:47 PM

Hell no.

Kill his ass too.

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#112708: Nov 19th 2019 at 6:58:37 PM

Secretly I meant Laura Kinney

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#112709: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:00:46 PM

I’m on Iron Man 3 now. Is it just me or is this movie a bunch of really good scenes that aren’t put together quite right? There’s something a little off about its pacing.

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#112710: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:02:17 PM

[up]Are you on a marathon?

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#112711: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:04:07 PM

In all seriousness, even Logan and Laura's Healing Factor has its limits even at their prime. In the comics for example Laura nearly died after taking a full blast from Nimrod, a Sentinel from the future. And keep in mind that Laura's Healing Factor is better than Logan's since she has less adamantium in her body poisoning her constantly.

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2019 at 11:04:55 PM

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#112712: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:05:00 PM

[up][up] Not really. Just in between jobs and killing time with this Disney+ free trial.

Edited by tiamkara on Nov 19th 2019 at 7:06:52 AM

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#112713: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:18:35 PM

As I recall, Logan's Healing Factor went into overdrive when he lost his Adamantium.

And it remained pretty strong well after he got it back, which is part of the reason he seems to be damn well unkillable now. I suppose after having the admantium in his body for years, losing it and jumpstarting his healing and then getting it back, his body was used to it and didn't need to strain itself quite as much.

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#112714: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:19:45 PM

[up](Pulls an owl from it's cage with a ten foot pole) You sure about that, Rob?

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#112715: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:27:38 PM

[up][up]Keep in mind that Hulk's Healing Factor is even better than Logan's in the comics. In fact, he heals so rapidly that it's almost impossible to tell he's even getting hurt in the first place — he heals most injuries up as soon as they are inflicted.

So if someone with a stronger Healing Factor and has a tremendous resistance to gamma radiation is still badly damaged by using the Infinity Gauntlet...

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2019 at 11:28:59 PM

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#112716: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:32:16 PM

I shouldn’t but I’m strongly considering just.. skipping The Dark World..

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#112717: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:34:35 PM

It's not a good movie. But stuff does happen in it that helps set up Ragnarok.

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#112718: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:35:33 PM

Most people wouldn't blame you.

There's a small list of people who don't hate the Dark World.

I'm on that list.

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#112719: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:37:11 PM

I’ve seen it once or twice but not in a long time. Guess I need to.

Also I’m an apologist for Age of Ultron myself.

Edited by tiamkara on Nov 19th 2019 at 7:39:22 AM

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#112720: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:41:12 PM

Well the Hulk ever find love? tongue

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#112721: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:42:16 PM

Thor: The Dark World is meh but it's less skippable than The Incredible Hulk; quality aside it sets up Ragnarok and even, believe it or not, Endgame.

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#112722: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:43:21 PM

When it come to marvel im a staunch defender of Iron man 3 while I absolute hate ragnarok, so I know about weird tastetongue

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#112723: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:48:18 PM

You can totally skip the Incredible Hulk. Almost nothing in it is carried over to the rest of the MCU, not even most of the main actors.

I say this as someone who kind of liked the movie.

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2019 at 11:50:22 PM

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#112724: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:53:45 PM

Avengers directly calls back to it two or three times. They’re different actors but the Bruce Banner in both movies is the same guy.

But it’s still entirely skippable.

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#112725: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:55:34 PM

Yeah every Marvel movie has something built upon in a succeeding product.

Dark World for example has Frig's mothering of her two sons.

Incredible Hulk though has nothing carried over in succeeding films aside from Ross' actor & even then he never interacted with Bruce when he came back.

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