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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112626: Nov 18th 2019 at 12:54:15 PM

he turned me into a newt!

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#112627: Nov 18th 2019 at 12:56:45 PM

[up]Then you were eaten alive and never came back to make that Monty Python joke.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112628: Nov 18th 2019 at 12:58:10 PM

Okay, boomer

I’m pretty sure that was coined for the exact opposite of this situation.

We shouldn’t be “okay boomer”ing people who are actually trying to spotlight the rampant traditionalism, racism and sexism in today’s society.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112629: Nov 18th 2019 at 1:45:48 PM

By the way, that quote from Alan Moore is from an interview from several years ago. It not only pre-dates the current Watchmen series, but also Black Panther and Captain Marvel and Into the Spider-Verse. I have a feeling that Moore would have loved Into the Spider-Verse, especially because it has both POC characters and creators.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112630: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:02:34 PM

Its believed that Moore casts a hex on whoever makes a Watchmen adaptation....... or really any adaptation of his work.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112631: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:08:13 PM

what if he makes an adaptation will he have to hex himself

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112632: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:39:04 PM

Yeah, Moor have more knowledge of how comic book works than many and dismissing is words is stupid.

On the other hand he have being for being very grumpy and cynical for a quite a while and having lost all is love he got for comic book done the line.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#112633: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:13:48 PM

Alan Moore might be a grumpy asshole sometimes, but his heart is definitely at the right place and he is a quality writer.

Can't say the same for Frank Miller.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112634: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:22:06 PM

Frank Miller sadly lost his mind post 911 if the internet is to be believed

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#112635: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:27:05 PM

Oh. I mixed him up with Miller. Honest mistake.

The legend has returned.
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112636: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:30:56 PM

Welp, haven't seen Runaways but I can't say it doesn't suck to see it end. Here's hoping it goes out on a high note for those that like it at least.

Anyway, re:Moore, I can definitely agree that capeshit flicks could always stand to increase the diversity. Phase 4 of the MCU seems to be at least trying to address that, what with the likes of Eternals and Shang-Chi, plus the female-helmed Black Widow and Wanda Vision. Helps that they're bringing on directors and writers who do seem to have a good grasp on quality.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 18th 2019 at 3:32:33 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112637: Nov 18th 2019 at 5:56:52 PM

Wait a minute, was this all about an interview that was done years ago and is only being mentioned now because it's in a book that is about to be released?

In other words, it's not actually something recent.

And the original Twitter post that was posted here didn't actually seem to clarify that.

This is why you don't get your news from fucking Twitter, people.

Edited by M84 on Nov 18th 2019 at 9:58:21 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112638: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:29:05 PM

So Avengers Endgame is legitimately getting an Oscars campaign.

It's pretty early Oscar season and buzz for the other likely nominees has actually been pretty minimal this year, at least from what I've seen. So on one hand it's very likely the Academy will do nothing besides toss it on one of the "ugh, fine, we nominated it, you happy now" slots, on the other hand I'm not confident that Parasite or The Irishman will actually muscle it out.

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#112639: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:33:53 PM

A sadistic side of me wants Endgame to beat over The Irishman in some Oscar category solely for the beef between Scorcese and the MCU to hit the big stage.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112640: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:50:21 PM

I doubt Endgame will win any of the big awards, but it might be nominated. You have to admit that it was a monumental feat for the directors.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112641: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:00:26 PM

I somehow doubt it'll win, considering the age demographics of the people who actually vote for these awards.

I stopped taking these things seriously after The Green Book did so well.

Edited by M84 on Nov 18th 2019 at 11:02:27 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112642: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:05:41 PM

The best thing if not the only good thing about this year's Oscars was Into the Spider-Verse winning for Best Animated Feature and preventing Disney for taking it for once.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112643: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:47:44 PM

By and large, the people who vote for these awards are the kind of people who are more sympathetic to Scorcese's thoughts on the MCU.

Edited by M84 on Nov 18th 2019 at 11:48:10 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#112644: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:25:32 PM

The thing that makes the Oscar's unique compared to other awards ceremonies is that the nominees are selected by people in the Academy with actual experience in the particular field. Actors vote for actors, directors of photography vote for cinematography, sound designers for sound design, etc. While it can still get political that results in a lot of upsets (or because the top two split the vote, allowing an unexpected third selection to slip through), you are usually still looking at a group of quality examples for their particular category. This is in contrast to the Golden Globes, Critics Choice or even the Razzies, which tend to focus exclusively on popular works so they can get attention.

While Endgame is an immense production achievement (largely due to the size of the cast and being the culmination of events 20 films back), individual elements throughout are very mediocre. Static camera work, limited staging, truncated editing, I just don't see it punching through to a nomination in anything except maybe visual effects.

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#112645: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:32:38 PM

[awesome]s for both Known Unknown and alliterator re:Moore.

Moore has anyway always been a curmudgeon, accurate in his rants or not, seeing people clutching their pearls at his 'hot takes' will never stop being amusing. I would also love to see what he'd have thought of Spider-Verse, though I'm guessing he'd be a Debbie Downer on it too.

Also echoing Gaon's comments:

A sadistic side of me wants Endgame to beat over The Irishman in some Oscar category solely for the beef between Scorcese and the MCU to hit the big stage.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#112646: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:47:11 PM

The good thing about Green Book's bullshit is that Blade has an Oscar-winning actor now. tongue

The legend has returned.
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#112647: Nov 18th 2019 at 11:52:46 PM

Apparently Frank Miller is a whole lot better now, he freely admits that he underwent something of a Creator Breakdown and went way too far. Not sure he's expressed an opinion on the MCU yet.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
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Let’s Have the Dark Courage to Sin Tonight
#112648: Nov 19th 2019 at 3:56:36 AM

The Oscars are irrelevant anyway.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112649: Nov 19th 2019 at 4:00:53 AM

I Want joker to win something, if only for the sadistic plesure of seen joker movie keep getting awards for some reason.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112650: Nov 19th 2019 at 4:42:20 AM

> The Oscars are irrelevant anyway.

To the average film goer yes,but to film directer looking for prestige and critical acclaim they matter a lot

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