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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#112576: Nov 17th 2019 at 4:49:17 PM

[up] Wait, you mean JK Simmons, never mind.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 17th 2019 at 4:49:46 AM

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#112577: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:05:00 PM

I got spoiled on that via edit histories for this site. What I wasn't spoiled on was what he actually did with his screentime.

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#112578: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:57:27 PM

Oh shit, I hope nobody spoiled that Peter Parker was Spider-Man the whole time. That twist truly threw me for a loop!

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#112579: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:59:10 PM

Or that Mysterio was actually evil all along. Truly a shocking twist.

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#112580: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:21:44 PM

We had people on this forum before the film came out insisting that because this was an adaptation, Mysterio probably really was a superhero from a parallel dimension, and would thus establish the existence of the Multiverse in this film.

So apparently it was a shocking twist.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 17th 2019 at 7:22:01 AM

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#112582: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:30:06 PM

Mysterio's whole shtick is smoke and mirrors so it was entirely unsurprising that he turned out to be full of shit.

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#112583: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:35:51 PM

I was sure he'd be evil but I wasn't expecting him to have a crew.

There was a moment when he dropped the illusions in the bar that I thought he was about to massacre all the other people inside. @_@

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#112584: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:38:30 PM

Apparently, people thought there was no way they would really have Mysterio be evil all along, since it would be such an obvious twist, since he's a villain in the comics. Of course, I then pointed out that the same reveal with Ego was Played for Drama, and they pulled it off great, and look what they ended up doing.

Granted, they did add to the twist by making the "how" part a secondary twist in that Mysterio is a fabrication of a bunch of disgruntled former Stark employees, and that was a really smart move.

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#112585: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:39:24 PM

Though I didn't like how that twist meant that once again a Marvel movie plot happens because Tony Stark pissed someone off.

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#112586: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:43:37 PM

A lot of twists in adaptations are obvious when you know the source material.

Like. You can watch Fellowship of the Ring expecting that Gandalf will be Killed Off for Real since his survival and reappearance as Gandalf the White is so well-known to audiences that clearly they'll do something different to be surprising to everyone that's read the book.

But you'll be disappointed. Because adaptations are not designed to be wacky What If AU stories. They're designed to tell the same story through a new medium.

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#112587: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:44:55 PM

[up][up] Honestly I'm all for not really holding this against him, if the movie was indication the guy was clearly unstable and Tony made the right call.

Edited by Cross on Nov 17th 2019 at 9:45:41 AM

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#112588: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:45:00 PM

There's also the fact that this is the first time that Mysterio has been adapted in a live-action movie. Of course it was going to be the traditional villain Mysterio.

I do think it would be interesting if there was an episode of "What If?" that was "What if Mysterio actually was a good guy?"

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#112589: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:45:45 PM

It's once again worth pointing out that the large majority of the MCU audience is not familiar with the comics. Mysterio being a villain is obvious to anybody who's read a comic featuring him, but for the majority of the casual public he was completely new. That's why the movies don't fuss too much about changing things from the comics like Thanos being obsessed with Death or Civil War's bad reputation.

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#112590: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:47:55 PM

Honestly, it would've been a bigger twist if Mysterio was a genuine good guy the whole film. Maybe he could still use illusions to fool the Elementals, but he's still trying to stop them and save the world.

Then have The Stinger reveal that Mysterio was an asshole the whole time and backstab Peter so he could hog all the glory for himself. Fool fans of the character into thinking he's genuinely undergone Adaptational Heroism for most of the story, only to to reveal the truth at the literal last second.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Nov 17th 2019 at 9:48:57 AM

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#112591: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:48:09 PM

[up][up] Just going to point out there the cartoons as well, pretty sure we've had a version of Mysterio in most of them.

How does the video game front hold?

Edited by Cross on Nov 17th 2019 at 9:49:30 AM

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#112592: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:53:00 PM

[up]The adaptation of Spider Man 2 had Mysterio pretending to be an alien leader. It was amazing.

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#112593: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:55:05 PM

My point isn't that Tony was wrong to do so.

My point is that it's yet another movie that revolves around something Tony Stark did. Even when it's not an Iron Man or even an Avengers movie.

It's supposed to be a Spider-Man movie.

Edited by M84 on Nov 17th 2019 at 10:57:20 PM

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#112594: Nov 17th 2019 at 6:59:45 PM

That's why Tony Stark is the greatest villain of the MCU. Even when dead, his evil still reigns.

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#112595: Nov 17th 2019 at 7:37:02 PM

Mysterio was pretty obvious.

My only theory regarding the film that wound up being wrong was that while I was correct that the Elementals would be CGI illusions, I thought they'd be portrayed by, like, Flint Marko, Morris Bench, ect. in mo-cap suits in Mysterio's lair rather than their movements being purely computer-generated.

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#112596: Nov 17th 2019 at 10:32:51 PM

[up][up][up] Well, Stark Industries is easier to connect the world of Spider-Man to the world of the MCU. I suspect, however, that if Stark Industries isn't around, it'll be Oscorp that'll be responsible for all of Spidey's Rogues Gallery. That was true in the Amazing Spider-Man continuity, Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, and the PS 4 Spiderman-verse. And if it's not Oscorp, then Alchemax.

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#112597: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:37:29 AM

Autumn Durald is on board for the Loki miniseries.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 18th 2019 at 2:39:20 AM

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#112598: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:01:43 AM

I thought they'd be portrayed by, like, Flint Marko, Morris Bench, ect. in mo-cap suits in Mysterio's lair rather than their movements being purely computer-generated.

Nah. Bringing the actual Sandman, Hydro-Man, and Molten Man in like that would have necessitated explanations for the audience as to who each of these characters are and why they're elemental constructs. That's a lot of explaining for what ultimately amounts to a cameo appearance.

Far From Home did it right in that regard. The visual reference to those villains is there for comic readers to pick up and go, "Ahh, I see what you did there." But they're not actually those characters. They have a conjoined fake origin story tied directly into Mysterio's fake origin story, since he's the actual focus for the conflict.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 18th 2019 at 8:02:00 AM

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#112599: Nov 18th 2019 at 8:49:55 AM

[up] They did make a reference to the real Hydro-Man, even if they didn't use him. I thought that was neat.

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