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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#112501: Nov 15th 2019 at 11:55:50 AM

I'm not even sure it's meant to be a strawman. I think they just made a mistake.

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#112502: Nov 15th 2019 at 12:16:12 PM

Yeah, had to be sure.

And now I can confirm that that was indeed a stupid question.

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#112503: Nov 15th 2019 at 3:00:01 PM

I don't think anyone is upset with RDJ voicing Tony. It's not like they're walking back and undoing his death.

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#112504: Nov 15th 2019 at 3:05:05 PM

I think it's more referencing how there's a certain contingent of "geez, enough with Tony Stark already!" folks in the fandom.

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#112505: Nov 15th 2019 at 3:10:44 PM

I've said it before, I love RDJ as Tony but I am content and done with RDJ as Tony. It's kinda bringing to mind Wolverine's overexposure in the X-Men movies, even if I think the MCU has had the overall better track record of quality.

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#112506: Nov 15th 2019 at 6:22:55 PM

5 untitled movies have release dates[1]

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#112507: Nov 15th 2019 at 7:41:08 PM

So, re-watching The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes on Disney Plus.

It's the first part of the Kang arc, where he comes back in time because Captain America's presence in the Avenger's present(the past to him) has buggered his timeline.

It dawned on me that this is a perfect set for Kang to appear in the MCU. The events of the time heist have buggered his future, and he comes back to rectify the situation.

The arc even alludes to the Kree Skrull War, which was foreshadowed in an earlier episode with Captain Mar-vel and then actually followed up in the second season, and we know that same war is currently a thing in the MCU and is bound to also play a role in future events.

So what do you guys think? Is Kang coming to steal tomorrow? He's one of the heavy hitters of the Marvel Universe if I recall, and with Galactus Doom still a whiles a way, the Xmen and anything they have to offer not yet a full thing yet, and Thanos and Ultron already down for the count, they need someone to fill the gap.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 15th 2019 at 8:41:31 AM

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#112508: Nov 15th 2019 at 7:56:41 PM

Depends on whether they feel like dealing with that level of time shenanigans.

Kang seems like the kind of character you'd need a lot of aspirin or booze to explain.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 15th 2019 at 1:00:36 PM

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#112509: Nov 15th 2019 at 8:02:28 PM

Just give it all to Quill.

He suffers while the rest of us stay sane.

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#112510: Nov 15th 2019 at 8:09:51 PM

I feel Kang would be the best character to turn into the MCU's next Arc Villain. Maybe not for this Phase right now, since I think the MCU should focus on telling more self-contained films for the post-Snap world. But definitely build him up for Phase Five or something.

And he's not that hard to explain. EMH did fine with "tyrant from the future wants to save the past, uses time travel to do so". I know the character has been the center of some headache-inducing stories, but the MCU has shown it can tell stories with characters who've had backstories unsuitable for films.

Honestly, I feel the next big event might be an adaptation of Secret Wars, since it's a simple premise that's big enough to unite all the heroes again.

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#112511: Nov 15th 2019 at 9:27:20 PM

Ever since Endgame came out, I've felt like Kang is most appropriate candidate for the next villain.

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#112512: Nov 15th 2019 at 9:42:10 PM

We mustn't forget Kodos, though.

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#112514: Nov 15th 2019 at 11:29:08 PM

Alright, it’s one in the morning. Streaming should be O.K from what I heard on this forum.

Commence Thor: The Dark World!

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#112515: Nov 15th 2019 at 11:32:40 PM

I find Thor: The Dark World overhated. I agree that it's one of the worst MCU films, but there's still some good stuff there. Loki's entire storyline is great, that part with him in the wrecked cell is heartbreaking. The final battle is also sort of fun, in some ways, and it includes a fun nod to Adventures In Babysitting. I loved the funeral scene. The cinematography can also be pretty good at times.

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#112516: Nov 15th 2019 at 11:45:42 PM

I haven't seen TDW sans individual clips on YT, but this year I did watch X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Suicide Squad, which stand out as just shining examples of low lows for comic book movies, way worse than TDW or really any movie in the MCU could ever be.

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#112517: Nov 15th 2019 at 11:55:42 PM

The truest low for any franchise is to be killed twice by the same guy.

The guy who wrote & directed Dark Phoenix was also the same guy who majorly wrote X3: The Last Stand.

He saw DP as his second chance to do things right this time........ which rather backfired on him.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2019 at 11:56:21 AM

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#112518: Nov 16th 2019 at 12:30:02 AM

It's kinda funny to me. XMOW is worse than anything in the MCU, yet Logan from that very same "trilogy" of sorts is not only one of the best comic book movies ever, it's arguably better than anything in the MCU, depending on how strongly you feel about your favorites. Sony's Spider-Man movies are in a similar boat, even if the new magnum opus for the whole genre is a different franchise from the maligned Amazing Spider-Man movies or Venom.

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#112519: Nov 16th 2019 at 1:22:49 AM

Agreed on TDW. It definitely shows its Troubled Production, but it has a lot of good ideas mixed in there, and it both follows up well on the previous movies for the most part and sets up interesting hooks for later ones. And then Thor: Ragnarok took a wrecking ball to all of that and received praise for it, so everything good TDW (and Thor 1 before it) did right was forgotten.

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#112520: Nov 16th 2019 at 2:26:14 AM

The only really interesting thing about TDW was Loki and his usurpation of the throne which Ragnarok did acknowledge and use as a plot point. I wouldn't even say TDW is outright BAD, it's just... There. It exists.

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#112521: Nov 16th 2019 at 2:43:02 AM

In your opinion. Others have found a lot more of interest to them in it, and have also found how Ragnarok handled them to be... disappointing.

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#112522: Nov 16th 2019 at 2:47:46 AM

I'm pretty sure TDW is what helped build up the MCU's stereotype of having too much tension breaking comedy.

Darcy & the humans were oppressive beings.

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#112523: Nov 16th 2019 at 2:59:00 AM

Yeaah ragnarok acknowledge it exist....but it blow the whole thing without major fanfare very quick.

In fact is telling that the answer of MCU percive tension breaking comedy is to double down into a wacky buddy comedy of thor and hulk, with the hela plot being just sort of there.

That is why I feel Thor in infinity war is closet to a thor movie: is really epic and dramatic when it need to be and it actually take thor as something beyond "hot and dumb" has he have being for a while.

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#112524: Nov 16th 2019 at 3:35:07 AM

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I'm pretty sure TDW is what helped build up the MCU's stereotype of having too much tension breaking comedy.

But when the follow-up movie is nothing but comedy breaking and completely undermining the tension, it's considered an improvement and just the retooling the Thor franchise (and sometimes the whole MCU) needed... Sometimes I just don't get the popular consensus.

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#112525: Nov 16th 2019 at 3:53:09 AM

[up] Uh I think its a pretty simple difference.

The comedy in TDW was overtly focused on the regular humans to the detriment of the more fantastical elements people really wanted to see.

While Ragnarok was very comedic but it also managed to focus that comedy on the fantastic locals & characters. For instance Darcy & her crew was not in the movie.

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