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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112351: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:38:59 PM

So my reflexive thought is just that the TV team (of that specific show, at least) just went off in a direction without telling Feige, or it was decided that it'd all be separate.
I highly, highly doubt that. The TV team has said before that they run everything by Feige. Markus and McFeely, on the other hand, have repeatedly stated that they don't watch or care for the TV shows. So they don't include anything from them.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#112352: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:42:29 PM

@ fredhot16

Subjective, off course, but a few others things from the UU I liked, in no particular order, and just on top off my head

- Energy Form Ben Grimm

- Evil Reed Richards (Great villain)

- President Ultimate Cap (Ultimate Cap in general, as I've already stated, as he is initially a flawed individual, who later has a lot of development into a true hero)

- Ultimate X-Men Post Ultimatum (Ultimatum was a pile of shit, sure, but the effects it had on the mutant world were nonetheless interesting)

- Ultimate Galactus (Interesting new interpretation, what Movie Galactus should've been, really)

- Ultimate Hulk (again, interesting new interpretation, more emphasis on the 'Monster' part than the 'tragic' one)

As for Inhumans:

I honestly don't know how to salvage them in the MCU. I want neither mutant-lites like in Aos nor these Royal Family assholes.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#112354: Nov 11th 2019 at 4:09:47 PM

[up]I agree. It’s not a comic book where resurrection is inevitable. You can leave it with the happy ending.

Edited by Beatman1 on Nov 11th 2019 at 7:10:19 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112355: Nov 11th 2019 at 4:15:28 PM

Well, for better or worse Cap's ending in Endgame is certainly conclusive. It's just that he got carried way, way away when he saw a certain opportunity.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#112356: Nov 11th 2019 at 4:24:54 PM

Even though I hated the ending, it would be most definitely stupid to bring him back, I agree.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112357: Nov 11th 2019 at 4:28:00 PM

Its the most conclusive way of permanently keeping him out of the game.

If they bring him back then the only option left is to actually kill him off.

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AmourMitts Since: Jan, 2016
#112358: Nov 11th 2019 at 9:29:08 PM

I haven't seen a trailer for the upcoming Black Widow movie yet, nor have I found any plot details, so I imagine it looking like this...

  • It begins with a prologue set in 1999, when Natasha Romanoff was a 15 year old high school student note  living in Russia who had straight blonde hair and wore glasses, since she dreamed of being a novel writer.
  • Romanoff and her class went on a field trip to a science museum, where she was tasked by her teacher to take photographs of the various exhibits, as well as her classmates posing by them.
  • However, while at the insect exhibition, a Meditteranean black widow spider passes through a machine and unexpectedly harvests an unspecified source of radiation, then dangles down onto Natasha, biting her on the right wrist just as she's about to take another photo.
  • Back at home, Natasha starts to feel unwell, and decides to rest in her bedroom. There, she ends up passing out, as the spider bite manifests its radiated venom into her DNA. We're then treated to a high-octane Disney Acid Sequence...
  • ...which then transitions into the Avengers: Endgame variant of the Marvel Studios logo.note  And after that...
  • ...we flash back to Natasha, who awakens the next morning and discovers that her vision is perfect, her hair has turned curly red, and her body has buffed up. Her parents—who are watching an odd news story on TV about the rumors of a "human firefly" with the headline "TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!"—are happily shocked to hear their daughter has gotten much better.
  • At school, Natasha discovers her new abilities: she has gained a "spider sense" just like Peter Parker, and her strength and agility have been magnified, leading to a brief fight with a bully. Unlike Spidey though, she does not have the ability to shoot webs.
  • Unfortunately, all this causes the entire student body to believe Natasha is a lethal android in disguise... which then spreads to news sources all over the world. Her parents, completely horrified by this revelation, angrily evict her from the Romanoff household.
  • Natasha runs across town, depressed and alone, and breaks down in an alleyway. Suddenly, she hears something from a mile away—an armed robbery on a rooftop. Embracing her new abilities, she runs to the scene and jumps high...
  • ...and the movie fast forwards 20 years later, one year after the events of Avengers: Infinity War, where the now Black Widow chases and fights a bunch of surviving HYDRA remnants.

That's all I can think up for now. You decide what would happen next...

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112360: Nov 11th 2019 at 9:42:35 PM

I've never really bothered to try guessing the real spoiler-y ins and outs of these movies and I don't feel the drive to start. Y'all out there putting way more effort into this than I could.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112361: Nov 11th 2019 at 9:55:55 PM

I take a pretty wait & see approach to this.

Celestials especially, that’s difficult to speculate.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2019 at 9:57:37 AM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#112362: Nov 11th 2019 at 9:56:51 PM

Concept art from The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.

Edited by comicwriter on Nov 11th 2019 at 10:00:01 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112366: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:12:17 PM

Ha Walker really is the government sanctioned new Cap. [lol]

Also Kate may have those stupid holes on her clothes going by her torso.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112367: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:21:13 PM

Did you guys see marvel concept art? much of it are just suit of the heroes but there is othf as well, I like the desing of the dark elves, they look awsome and pretty much the only intersting thing of the movie.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112369: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:39:21 PM

surprised Looks exactly like comics Kate.

Why still the hip holes, though? C'mon Marvel, give her the real coat you know we've all been waiting for.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#112370: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:45:01 PM

Is so she can't stuff files into her costume so Clint has to carry them instead.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#112371: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:52:36 PM

More concept stuff. Really leaning into the Fraction stuff.

Edited by comicwriter on Nov 11th 2019 at 10:54:30 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#112373: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:57:47 PM

And two snippets from What If?

Edited by comicwriter on Nov 11th 2019 at 10:58:09 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#112374: Nov 11th 2019 at 11:13:50 PM

Another What-If? clip.

Apparently in the universe where Peggy becomes Captain America, Steve become Iron Man.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112375: Nov 11th 2019 at 11:18:28 PM

That would have made civil war very intersting....

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