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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112326: Nov 11th 2019 at 10:54:37 AM

Which again is from Spider-Man. The only consistently good to decent portion of it.

The Ultimates then had hank Hank be an abusive monster to Hope, Hulk as a cannibal rapist, Natasha as a traitor who killed Hawkeye's family, Hawkeye being a total sociopath, & Captain America saying "You think this A on my head stands for France?"

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2019 at 10:55:29 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#112327: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:00:22 PM

Honestly the Ultimates had more to offer than that. People always point to the flaws of the early 2001 days. The UU went for far longer than that and had more than just Millar work on it.

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#112328: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:05:21 PM

And also Black Nick Fury, if I remember right.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112329: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:08:57 PM

So the Jeph Loeb era which had things like Pietro & Wanda shagging & the entirety of Ultimatum?

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2019 at 12:10:12 PM

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#112330: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:12:13 PM

To be fair, that is because the ultimate just decide "fuck it" and make oficial the tons of incest subtext that have being between the two.

Hell I belive the actor of both wanda and pietro did act like it was that vibe between the two in fact, couple with that delated joke of tony compared the both to flower in the actic....

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112331: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:21:00 PM

Regardless of the justifications, its not exactly something people wanna see.

The thing about the Mark Millar Era is even though its a lot of fun to rag on, regardless it is the most acclaimed & iconic part of the comics era.

So when Millar left things entered a decline that eventually lead to Ultimatum which damaged the line so hard that future attempts to salvage the line proved fruitless.

Its why the only remnant of the line in comics now is Miles & The Maker who's an evil Reed Richards.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2019 at 12:23:35 PM

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#112332: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:21:54 PM

"Honestly the Ultimates had more to offer than that. People always point to the flaws of the early 2001 days. The UU went for far longer than that and had more than just Millar work on it."

Want to educate us on what good things you think it had?

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#112333: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:49:58 PM

Okay, apparently, there's a leaked audition tape for Ms. Marvel's actor. If it's real, it would confirm two things: there are going to be a New Avengers team and Ms. Marvel is staying an Inhuman, with a "Terrigen mists spread across the globe" still being her original story. However, audition dialogue is often fake, so take this with a huge grain of rice.

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#112334: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:52:37 PM

nooooooooooooo

do not want inhumans

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#112335: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:56:51 PM

Just so long as Scott Buck is nowhere to be found...

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112336: Nov 11th 2019 at 12:59:47 PM

[up][up] Remember: Quake is also an Inhuman. They might be taking it more from AOS and recasting the Inhuman Royal Family.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112337: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:00:31 PM

Just as long as we don't get the Terrigan Cloud gassing Mutants to death.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112338: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:02:32 PM

[up] I doubt it. Mutants haven't even appeared yet and when they do, I doubt Marvel will immediately jump to the "they are all going extinct" storyline, especially with how negatively received IVX was.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112339: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:06:48 PM

Then it is good to hope again. tongue

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#112340: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:07:55 PM

IVX was hot fucking garbage and making mutants getting killed by Inhumans for their introduction would be Ike Paperclips bullshit.

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#112342: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:13:18 PM

In the early seasons of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., some terrigen wound up in the ocean, diluting the water. I remember thinking at the time that it'd be a great surrogate for the Terrigen Cloud in the 616; the terrigen dissolves in the ocean, causing an outbreak in terrigenesis for characters like Kamala Khan.

But the show wound up limiting it to a handful of people who were exposed to terrigen-infused fish oil, and then all the other terrigen was cleaned up or became harmless or something and it stopped being a plot point. So the ship's sailed on that option.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112343: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:14:20 PM

To be clear I meant more for it to never happen in general. Sure not at the start of course but no even 10 years later when both organizations have been long-running.

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#112344: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:19:36 PM

Remember. tongue

"I have to confess, having come here, I've seen no TV since I got here in April", said Markus. "I haven't seen the vast majority of this season of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." McFeely added "Is there really fish oil? What are you talking about?"

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 11th 2019 at 1:20:02 AM

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#112345: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:20:59 PM

[up]I'm getting My Little Pony comics flashbacks.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 11th 2019 at 1:21:06 AM

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#112346: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:26:56 PM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#112347: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:29:33 PM

IIRC from Ao S the Terrigen was never really 'cleaned up' there are still fish in the ocean and they are still being eaten the only good part was the portion of the crystals that caused any NON Inhuman to turn to stone was filtered out in the dissolving of the crystals in the ocean. They did limit exposure by realizing the source of the outbreak was the fish oil pills and had as many as they could pulled off the shelves but some bottles were missed, Joey got it via fish oil.

Yo-Yo was via fish tacos.

They did hint that there were chances that rain or other water exposure could trigger the transformation Robin's Father was one. Robin herself might have also gotten it via rain.

So they can still go the Ao S route with it being in the water supply.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112348: Nov 11th 2019 at 1:46:00 PM

"I have to confess, having come here, I've seen no TV since I got here in April", said Markus. "I haven't seen the vast majority of this season of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." McFeely added "Is there really fish oil? What are you talking about?"
Remember:
  1. That was Markus and McFeely, who are no longer writing for Marvel anymore.
  2. Agents of SHIELD was apparently one of the most watched things on Disney+ during the test phase in the Netherlands (which may or may not be because AOS was never released in the Netherlands).
  3. Marvel is clearly trying to tie their movies in with their Disney+ shows. If AOS is on Disney+ (which it clearly will be), I'll bet that it will be easier for them to tie specific characters, i.e. having Quake show up in a movie or Ms. Marvel show.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 11th 2019 at 1:48:13 AM

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#112349: Nov 11th 2019 at 2:06:06 PM

I feel like it would be really easy for them to use the AOS explanation.

In fact I think it would be really good for Disney+, since everyone would see the new show and read articles like "Agents of SHIELD explains the how Ms. Marvel got her powers!!!"

That whole not having any idea about Agents sorta bugs me.

Is it so hard to have a continuity persons type up a 2 page summery of how anything else in the MCU might affect the film and forward it on to the writers?

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#112350: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:30:09 PM

Last I heard, the film team communicates quite well. This is Markus and Mcfeely talking, and they're the one's who wrote all 3 Cap films, Thor: the bad one, Endgame, Infinity War and Endgame. They worked very closely with Feige and the Russos for the overall direction, and for the specific projects they worked on.

So my reflexive thought is just that the TV team (of that specific show, at least) just went off in a direction without telling Feige, or it was decided that it'd all be separate.


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