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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112276: Nov 10th 2019 at 12:44:30 PM

One reason why live-action comic book movies have thrived & live-action manga movies haven't is because the former knows how to adapt a storyline.

Have you ever tried adapting a 50 chapter arc to less than 2-hour movie? Its not possible & that was exaggeration.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#112277: Nov 10th 2019 at 1:06:30 PM

@comicwriter: Yeah, that was me under a previous username. The Avengers was such a big deal precisely because no superhero movie on that scale had been done successfully before. X-Men 3 was the closest comparison, and it had been a disaster.

Managing to pull together 6 different main protagonists from 4 different franchises and get a coherent, entertaining story was an unprecedented achievement, and I wasn’t confident it could be done. As a result, I was very impressed with Avengers.

Edited by Galadriel on Nov 10th 2019 at 4:11:00 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#112278: Nov 10th 2019 at 1:10:09 PM

Another thing that helped was the fact that, while you got more out of the movie if you'd seen the previous films building up to it, it did a decent job introducing most of the characters, so people could just go see Avengers without having seen the previous films and still have a good time and follow things along. Hell, Mark Ruffalo's Hulk might as well not be even the same character as TIH, for all that film ended up mattering lol

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112279: Nov 10th 2019 at 1:51:26 PM

Apparently, there are rumors that Storm is going to appear in Black Panther 2 and Marvel is looking at Janelle Monae to play her. There are a few things I doubt about this, however:

  1. It sounds like Storm would be T'Challa's love interest, like the comics, but the movies already have a love interest for him, Nakia. Introducing another one would mean either a love triangle (which, so far, the movies have avoided) or Nakia isn't the love interest anymore (which I also doubt).
  2. Janelle Monae should obviously play Dazzler instead of Storm.

Seriously, though, I think Anok Yai (currently a supermodel) should play Storm solely because of this. God damn.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112280: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:02:00 PM

Goddamn she looks better than the ones we actually got in the Foxmen.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112281: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:03:01 PM

Yeah,she's got the perfect 'look' for storm but no previous acting experience unfortunately

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112282: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:15:02 PM

Eh, she might still be better than the previous Storms we got. They had acting experience (and even an Oscar), but still sucked.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#112283: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:52:48 PM

Just give them something to work with. The movies weren't kind to most X-Men not named Logan.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 10th 2019 at 7:53:12 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112284: Nov 10th 2019 at 2:56:37 PM

Yeah Deadpools notwithstanding, if you were in the X-Men movies and your name wasn't Wolverine, Professor X, or Magneto, sucks to be you lol!!!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112285: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:16:29 PM

Colossus got more focus, character, & development than his entire time in the mainline series.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#112286: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:34:22 PM

[up][up] Or Mystique, with the newer films.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112287: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:37:01 PM

Making her heroic shows how little they understood her character really

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112288: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:39:15 PM

Pretty sure it's a sign something's gone awry with your storytelling and characterization when you kill Mystique off in a scene that's obviously intended to be tragic and shit but some people are actively relieved that she's dead.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112289: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:39:44 PM

They relied way too much on Jennifer Lawrence's at the time star power to the absolute detriment of the character.

[up] It didn't help that her actions right before her death did not make her in any way endearing.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 10th 2019 at 3:40:59 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#112290: Nov 10th 2019 at 3:41:23 PM

Reminds me how she was literally wearing blue body paint,I mean seriously?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112292: Nov 10th 2019 at 4:14:19 PM

Imo Storm shouldn’t be out anywhere near Black Panther’s film series, except for maybe a small mythology gag.

I would like a more comic-like look for Domino. She is my favorite C-Lister.

I’ve always thought the casting there was amusing.

Even before she was confirmed to be in the movies, I thought Monica Baccarin was a dead ringer for comics Domino. When she was cast for the movie, that’s who I figured she was playing. Then it turned it she was actually cast as a relatively obscure character who was famous mostly for literally looking exactly like Domino.

Given the nature of the character, I figured they would empower Vanessa (who is a shapeshifter in the comics, iirc) and also introduce Domino as a separate character played by Baccarin as well, giving the two some kind of relationship or history in the sequel, but then they fridged her instead and adapted Domino with a completely different look.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 10th 2019 at 5:27:27 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112293: Nov 10th 2019 at 10:02:51 PM

If they adapt storm I dont think they will make her T´challa couple, largely because I think paring the two was seen as a mistake in the comics and some sort of editorial mandate, feel free of correct me.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#112294: Nov 10th 2019 at 10:47:32 PM

Plus, T'Challa already has a well-received love interest in Nakia.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112295: Nov 10th 2019 at 11:58:29 PM

The MCU has frequently taken its own path when it comes to romantic pairings, whether with Tony getting with Pepper, Bruce and Natasha's fling, Steve and Peggy's One True Love, all pairings that in the comics don't exist or were rather brief, so I don't expect they feel obligated to push together MCU T'challa and eventual MCU Storm.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#112296: Nov 11th 2019 at 2:30:58 AM

Which was a shitty pairing either way, pushed only by Reginald Hudlin, whose run is rightfully reviled for his extreme Mary Sue'ism of both T'Challa and Wakanda.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 11th 2019 at 11:31:12 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#112297: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:18:41 AM

Yeah I don't get the sense that the marriage between the two was especially popular.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112298: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:20:01 AM

Yet they keep bringing it back even after the 2 got divorced.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2019 at 3:20:23 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#112299: Nov 11th 2019 at 3:58:51 AM

> Plus, T'Challa already has a well-received love interest in Nakia.

In before they drop a bridge on Nakia to make room for Storm

or they spilt up off screen

beepbeep make room for Storm x Black Panther!

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 11th 2019 at 11:59:18 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112300: Nov 11th 2019 at 4:01:21 AM

It be cool I’d like Thor & Storm dated.

Think of the kids, major Gods of Thunder there.

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