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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#112226: Nov 9th 2019 at 3:59:21 PM

I feel like it was implied that the post credits Snap was some length of time after the end of the movie, where Ghost is stabilized, but still needs support.

Actually, now that I think about it (and an article mentioned it), that post credits scene is implied to have happened almost/at least a day after a giant alien wheel appeared in the sky over NYC, messed up a portion of the city, and abducted Tony Stark. I know none of the Ant-Man gang has any love for Stark, and they're on the other side of the country, but it's still kinda blase about the whole thing.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 9th 2019 at 6:05:37 AM

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#112227: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:08:54 PM

Everybody talks about Ant-Man and the Wasp like it came and went unremarkably, and here I am sitting around with it in my top 3 favorite MCU films...

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#112228: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:11:26 PM

I wouldn't put it that high, but same. I absolutely loved Ant-Man and The Wasp, I think it has some of the coolest and funniest action setpieces in the entire MCU, and Ghost is one of the best antagonists in the recent wave of great antagonists.

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#112229: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:11:44 PM

In fairness there’s a bunch of Avengers, after the New York brush up things seemed to go quiet so there wasn’t much point in Ant Man and co specifically going to New York and it’s not like there was an easy way to get to Wakanda even if they knew about it

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112230: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:15:51 PM

And-Man & Wasp pretty much showed off the batshit insane potential of shrinking powers and also showed why Scott is the best dad in the franchise.

It was a fun & epic romp.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#112231: Nov 9th 2019 at 4:56:33 PM

I enjoyed Ant-Man and the Wasp on the whole, but felt it lacked cohesion and thus was lesser than the sum of its parts despite said parts being high-quality.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112232: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:03:42 PM

The film does showcase to us that the Pym's are pretty much menaces.

Hank & Hope truly are real pieces of work.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#112233: Nov 9th 2019 at 5:04:01 PM

A Mat W wasn't the most standout of standouts but it's still a really fun, sweet, wholesome time, which I'm pretty sure a lot of us needed after Infinity War. On that note, Scott being an actually good dad (or at least way better than the likes of Odin or Thanos) to Cassie is really cute to watch. Ava Starr was also a neat, different-ish antagonist and it was touching to see Janet give her a break after what she'd been through. Too bad Thanos had to come and undo the happy ending, though I guess Endgame in turn undid said undoing, even if it took five years on the outside.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#112234: Nov 9th 2019 at 6:26:05 PM

I always describe Ant Man and the Wasp to people who haven't seen it as "more Iron Man 2 than Winter Soldier" as sequels go, with the caveat that I enjoy Iron Man 2. I just feel like there's something the first one had that was missing here (maybe the heist angle, but I feel like that's probably a bit of an oversimplification?), and that the mid-credits scene... is pretty awful, at least in terms of the movie itself. It feels like the one concrete moment where I can point to the MCU's interconnectivity and say "this is not always a good or even neutral thing", because it completely overrides the tone and triumphs of the movie to tie into the previous movie, and to set up a plot point for something two movies later. They could have just as easily included it with the Hawkeye bit at the start of Endgame and gotten the same thing across without having to shove it into Ant-Man and the Wasp, I feel.

Edited by Khfan429 on Nov 9th 2019 at 6:28:34 AM

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#112235: Nov 9th 2019 at 6:34:18 PM

I recall there was a couple watching the film when I saw it theaters, and they were confused what had happened to the Pyms during The Stinger. Which suggests either the connection to Infinity War went over their heads at first, or they didn't watched Infinity War at all.

I don't doubt such a thing would happen. There's bound to be some people who've only seen the two Ant-Man films and were completely taken aback by that scene.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Nov 9th 2019 at 9:35:14 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112236: Nov 9th 2019 at 7:43:34 PM

I like Ant and the Waps, in part because is fun but mostly because it actually tackle my complain about Antman (that Hank is a terrible, terrible men) and Civil war(that Scott get free only to bust into a fight he barely have something to do with him and ends in jail...AGAIN) in a good organic way and make him better for it, rather than making a weird handwave(Thor) or pretend it didnt happen(Hello Wanda).

Is really superior to first movie and more than that, everything what the first movie should be.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112237: Nov 9th 2019 at 7:53:19 PM

Yeah Hank's a terrible fuckwit, that's a big point of his character.

Barring his wife he has ruined every facet of his life leaving him a lonely bitter old man.

It amusingly took a random thief to bring him out of his shell.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#112238: Nov 9th 2019 at 8:00:07 PM

I guess Ant-Man and the Wasp benefited from having a smooth production period, while the first one had to deal with spending almost a decade in Development Hell and Edgar Wright leaving the project two weeks before shooting.

It's a miracle the first film worked as well as it doe considering the circumstances. I'm not sure which of the two I prefer, but they're both fun movies.

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#112239: Nov 9th 2019 at 8:46:27 PM

It is essentially a sequel that distilled and refined everything that made the first movie work while working out some of the kinks (like having a way stronger antagonist, for one).

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112240: Nov 9th 2019 at 10:52:31 PM

Oh yes, yellowjacket is probably one of the most bland villian EVER in marvel history which is kinda said a lot.

" that's a big point of his character."

Sure, but pressure scott to his job, because he paternalistic didn't want her well capacited daughter to have the suit and because Scott(who have a daughter like him), being seen as presidable(sorry, I dont know the word) move him from douchebag to uber douchebag in my eyes, even more when Darren already knew about the scheme by.....looking in the paper, that make me laugh, really.

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#112241: Nov 9th 2019 at 11:02:06 PM

Yellowjacket has nothing on Malekith.

Malekith is blander than a rice cracker.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112242: Nov 10th 2019 at 12:20:37 AM

I feel malekith have presence, granted he feel like a villian of abrams stark trek but he have....something, also the dark elves suit are fucking cool as hell.

Yellow? nothing.

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TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#112243: Nov 10th 2019 at 5:49:01 AM

I really don't think Yellowjacket is that bad. He's a pretty standard villain but the actor gave a pretty decent performance and I felt like I pretty much understood what makes him tick. They could've done more with him but I still think he got the job done.

Malekith on the other hand has nothing going for him. I never felt like he had any sort of presence whatsoever. He never really gave off an air of menace. The Dark Elves as a whole do somewhat but I won't give him credit for being upstaged by his Mooks. Eccleston pretty much phoned in his performance and I can't remember anything about his personality. Not even something on the level of Yellowjacket's daddy issues. Malekith is a Generic Doomsday Villain and a pretty lame one at that.

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#112244: Nov 10th 2019 at 5:53:24 AM

Malekith is literally like a video game boss who spams teleport

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#112245: Nov 10th 2019 at 6:08:11 AM

I shall forever lovingly declare Malekith and the Dark Elves "These Fucks From Thor 2" thanks to Kinda Funny.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112246: Nov 10th 2019 at 6:47:32 AM

Yellowjacket worked for me mostly on how much the film played him as teetering off the edge of sanity due his Daddy Issues until he's bellowing everything out of his mouth by the time we reach the climax.

Malekith and Killian are the worst MCU villains for me still, by far. And I put Malektih ahead of Killian for at least having a fairly inventive visual design, while Killian is literally some fucker in a suit.

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#112247: Nov 10th 2019 at 7:39:38 AM

Killian is the absolute worst because he’s a twist villain that is much worse than the fake one.

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#112248: Nov 10th 2019 at 7:52:57 AM

I found Ant Man 1 preferable to the sequel, and Yellowjacket was a good antagonist. The sequel felt a bit disjointed in vision and not really interesting to rewatch, while I've already rewatched the first in whole or in part a couple times.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#112249: Nov 10th 2019 at 8:28:45 AM

I put killian over yellowjacket and malekith because at least he put Tony over the edge and push the hero, somehing of a complain I have of marvel is that their villian rarely push the hero that bad, HYDRA is famous for doing that to steve in winter soldier, also is fire power were cool.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112250: Nov 10th 2019 at 8:45:44 AM

Tony pushed himself and Killian was nearby when it happened. Stark's PTSD crisis over New York is what caused him to be stupid and just give out his actual home address to be bombed to kingdom come, which is also basically where Killian's menace to Tony began and ended.

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