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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The gross thing about Terra is that she was revealed to be sleeping with Deathstroke, was a teenager, and got 100% of the blame for that while Deathstroke Mr Statutory Rape Guy got to later become an uneasy ally of the Titans and another surrogate father figure for Beast Boy
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe trouble with Terra is that Wolfman has ALWAYS doubled down on how EVIL EVIL CRAZY EVIL EVIL and did I mention EVIL Tara was while glossing over Slade's MANY crimes, manipulations ect and re-inventing him as the "Noble Villain" with a "Code of Honor".
Up to and including (IIRC) later painting Slade as rather scared of Terra since she seemed to be WAY more attached to him (lovers and partners) than he was to her (she's a tool and a means to an end) adding in hysterical irrational jealous woman to the mix.
Edited by alliterator on Nov 8th 2019 at 8:19:32 AM
I don't think the Supreme Intelligence counts either. Captain Marvel is one of those films that serves as setup to a larger conflict and, consequentially, doesn't really have a Big Bad.
The Supreme Intelligence is the leader of the bad guy force, but they appear for all of two scenes and are left unresolved at film's end. They're a Greater-Scope Villain whose role in the movie mostly just seems to foreshadow a sequel battle.
The main villains of the film are Yon-Rogg's squad. But Yon-Rogg doesn't really meet the criteria of a Big Bad either. He's not the chief force of evil behind the Kree-Skrull conflict that makes up the bulk of the plot; he's here as The Heavy for the Greater-Scope Villain.
It's similar to Star Wars: A New Hope, where Darth Vader was The Heavy for Greater-Scope Villain Emperor Palpatine, so neither could really be said to be the Big Bad for that specific film.
Hela, meanwhile, is unambiguously the Big Bad of Thor: Ragnarok.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 8th 2019 at 11:06:40 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yon-Rogg himself, I'd say he's around the middle when it comes to MCU baddies. A bit more going on than a bulk of what Phase 1/2 had to offer, but coming off of Ego, Vulture, Killmonger and even Ava Starr, not much going on individually. He plays the role of seeming mentor yet actually gaslighting bastard okay but it's more about what he represents as something to overcome in Carol's story. Don't agree with him being listed as The Scrappy but it's clear where and who they felt like giving the bulk of prominence and depth here.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)I’m fine with Yon Rogg being boring because he’s supposed to be. Among other things, he and the Kree represent the monotony and substanceless-ness of systems that force people to diminish themselves to adhere to them.
It puts them into a big of a bind for a sequel, though, because the Kree aren’t entirely interesting and - unlike the Empire in Star Wars (who aren’t entirely interesting by themselves either) - they don’t have a grand, eye catching personality like Vader or Kylo to make the audience care about them across multiple movies. Carol has definitively outgrown them, which means they the next movie needs a shakeup in the villainy department.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:56:46 AM
I feel like between the Kree, the greatest potential lies in doing something with the Supreme Intelligence itself. The Carol vs Intelligence skirmish at the end of the first film had a scent of "gearing up for a rematch" feel, and the Intelligence itself, as this sort of quasi-religious deity of vast imperialistic bureaucracy, can provide a fairly engaging opponent.
(hence why my idea for Captain Marvel II had the Supreme Intelligence as its Big Bad).
Edited by Gaon on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:54:09 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I’m trying to think of stories with the Supreme Intelligence as a big overarching villain and the only one that immediately comes to mind is Operation: Galactic Storm.
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That’s not so much a problem. If you have a hero who can’t be easily punched in the face, don’t necessarily have the Big Bad threaten them with a punch in the face (save that for The Dragon, or if you’re still going to do it play with it a little).
This is one of the reasons why Loki is more interesting than literally all of the other people Thor has fought in the MCU (except maybe Thanos, but not every villain can be Thanos).
Imo, the villain of Captain Marvel 2 should be someone trying to harness her power, either trying to replicate or, or actually take from her, or otherwise copy it and take it for themselves. A cerebral or emotional threat, trying to become a physical one (a la Lex Luthor, at least when Lex is written well).
It’s why I’d like Minn-Erva to come back as a more comics accurate Dr. Minn-Erva. Or why I thought MODOK and AIM would be an interesting adversary to her. Or Moonstone, rewritten as a scientist who successfully repeats Marr-Vell’s experiment, but has none of Marr-Vell’s ethics. Or Rogue, rewritten as a sympathetic antagonist forced to steal Carol’s power.
I’m leaning towards AIM (the idea of an organization reaching out its claws and experimenting on tons o people to try to make Carols en masse sounds awesome for a threat - and plus they could use that to empower Monica) or Rogue (as I’ve noted before, Rogue’s story could very easily be written to work well as a parallel to Carol’s own).
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2019 at 11:04:17 AM
I have to wonder if the Supreme Intelligence is still in charge of the Kree Empire. Remember, Guardians of the Galaxy had them make a peace treaty with Xandar despite being at war for generations. That seems to be at odds with how the command structure worked in Captain Marvel, especially considering how they tried to wipe out the Skrulls when they were basically no threat to them.
I'm sure there's room to say the Supreme Intelligence allowed the peace treaty to be signed for pragmatic reasons. I just think a Captain Marvel sequel would work best as an Interquel taking place before Phase One, or at least feature flashbacks showcasing what happened during that time period. But then again, maybe moving forward in the franchise is the better course of action.
Personally I'd enjoy an interquel set before phase one so we could actually see what Captain Marvel promised at the end of the first film: to bring the Kree-Skrull war to a halt single-handedly.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Jessica Gao will be heading the She-Hulk writing team
. She apparently won an Emmy for Rick and Morty.

Everyone talks about how goofy and lame Aquaman is, and yet Batman is the one with the goofiest and lamest villains off all and gets away with it
Wow, what a topper
Edited by eligram on Nov 8th 2019 at 6:28:37 AM