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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#112176: Nov 8th 2019 at 2:26:22 AM

Everyone talks about how goofy and lame Aquaman is, and yet Batman is the one with the goofiest and lamest villains off all and gets away with it tongue

Wow, what a topper tongue

Edited by eligram on Nov 8th 2019 at 6:28:37 AM

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#112177: Nov 8th 2019 at 3:55:19 AM

Orca is just straight up someone's fursona.

This place is careless.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#112178: Nov 8th 2019 at 3:58:07 AM

except they dont have fur

therefore

they are a someone's whalesona

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#112179: Nov 8th 2019 at 4:08:54 AM

A blubbersona, if you will.

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112180: Nov 8th 2019 at 4:10:23 AM

I was going to go say someone is a scaleie but then I remembered whales don't have scales

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#112181: Nov 8th 2019 at 5:06:08 AM

The gross thing about Terra is that she was revealed to be sleeping with Deathstroke, was a teenager, and got 100% of the blame for that while Deathstroke Mr Statutory Rape Guy got to later become an uneasy ally of the Titans and another surrogate father figure for Beast Boy

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112182: Nov 8th 2019 at 5:36:37 AM

Not as bad as Dr.light

-shudder-

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112183: Nov 8th 2019 at 6:11:53 AM

I don’t think Orca is especially out there for Batman. She’s basically a whale themed Killer Croc.

Also Orca / Croc was in the Injustice comics iirc.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#112184: Nov 8th 2019 at 7:02:21 AM

The trouble with Terra is that Wolfman has ALWAYS doubled down on how EVIL EVIL CRAZY EVIL EVIL and did I mention EVIL Tara was while glossing over Slade's MANY crimes, manipulations ect and re-inventing him as the "Noble Villain" with a "Code of Honor".

Up to and including (IIRC) later painting Slade as rather scared of Terra since she seemed to be WAY more attached to him (lovers and partners) than he was to her (she's a tool and a means to an end) adding in hysterical irrational jealous woman to the mix.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#112185: Nov 8th 2019 at 8:15:45 AM

Most out there is poison Ivy,controls plant life and can make plant minions,she wouldn't be out of place in a fantasy setting

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112186: Nov 8th 2019 at 8:19:21 AM

Hela, Ghost, and the Kree Supreme Intelligence (though YMMV on whether the last one counts).
Ghost isn't the Big Bad, only the antagonist, of AMATW. The Big Bad is, uh, the past and the mistakes that were made in the past.

The gross thing about Terra is that she was revealed to be sleeping with Deathstroke, was a teenager, and got 100% of the blame for that while Deathstroke Mr Statutory Rape Guy got to later become an uneasy ally of the Titans and another surrogate father figure for Beast Boy
God yes. Thankfully, Christopher Priest's new Deathstroke series has retconned that, although it still leaves Slade as someone skeevy and manipulative, but at least he feels guilt and isn't sleeping with her.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 8th 2019 at 8:19:32 AM

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#112187: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:06:12 AM

Ghost isn't the Big Bad, only the antagonist, of AMATW. The Big Bad is, uh, the past and the mistakes that were made in the past.

I don't think the Supreme Intelligence counts either. Captain Marvel is one of those films that serves as setup to a larger conflict and, consequentially, doesn't really have a Big Bad.

The Supreme Intelligence is the leader of the bad guy force, but they appear for all of two scenes and are left unresolved at film's end. They're a Greater-Scope Villain whose role in the movie mostly just seems to foreshadow a sequel battle.

The main villains of the film are Yon-Rogg's squad. But Yon-Rogg doesn't really meet the criteria of a Big Bad either. He's not the chief force of evil behind the Kree-Skrull conflict that makes up the bulk of the plot; he's here as The Heavy for the Greater-Scope Villain.

It's similar to Star Wars: A New Hope, where Darth Vader was The Heavy for Greater-Scope Villain Emperor Palpatine, so neither could really be said to be the Big Bad for that specific film.

Hela, meanwhile, is unambiguously the Big Bad of Thor: Ragnarok.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 8th 2019 at 11:06:40 AM

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#112188: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:26:11 AM

Yon-Rogg himself, I'd say he's around the middle when it comes to MCU baddies. A bit more going on than a bulk of what Phase 1/2 had to offer, but coming off of Ego, Vulture, Killmonger and even Ava Starr, not much going on individually. He plays the role of seeming mentor yet actually gaslighting bastard okay but it's more about what he represents as something to overcome in Carol's story. Don't agree with him being listed as The Scrappy but it's clear where and who they felt like giving the bulk of prominence and depth here.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112189: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:46:02 AM

I’m fine with Yon Rogg being boring because he’s supposed to be. Among other things, he and the Kree represent the monotony and substanceless-ness of systems that force people to diminish themselves to adhere to them.

It puts them into a big of a bind for a sequel, though, because the Kree aren’t entirely interesting and - unlike the Empire in Star Wars (who aren’t entirely interesting by themselves either) - they don’t have a grand, eye catching personality like Vader or Kylo to make the audience care about them across multiple movies. Carol has definitively outgrown them, which means they the next movie needs a shakeup in the villainy department.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:56:46 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112190: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:50:50 AM

Also the lack of any Infinity Stones means they can’t replicate what gave Carol her powers so they are gonna have to be very creative in how they wanna match her.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112191: Nov 8th 2019 at 10:52:04 AM

I feel like between the Kree, the greatest potential lies in doing something with the Supreme Intelligence itself. The Carol vs Intelligence skirmish at the end of the first film had a scent of "gearing up for a rematch" feel, and the Intelligence itself, as this sort of quasi-religious deity of vast imperialistic bureaucracy, can provide a fairly engaging opponent.

(hence why my idea for Captain Marvel II had the Supreme Intelligence as its Big Bad).

Edited by Gaon on Nov 8th 2019 at 10:54:09 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#112192: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:00:27 AM

I’m trying to think of stories with the Supreme Intelligence as a big overarching villain and the only one that immediately comes to mind is Operation: Galactic Storm.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112193: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:03:11 AM

[up][up] That’s not so much a problem. If you have a hero who can’t be easily punched in the face, don’t necessarily have the Big Bad threaten them with a punch in the face (save that for The Dragon, or if you’re still going to do it play with it a little).

This is one of the reasons why Loki is more interesting than literally all of the other people Thor has fought in the MCU (except maybe Thanos, but not every villain can be Thanos).

Imo, the villain of Captain Marvel 2 should be someone trying to harness her power, either trying to replicate or, or actually take from her, or otherwise copy it and take it for themselves. A cerebral or emotional threat, trying to become a physical one (a la Lex Luthor, at least when Lex is written well).

It’s why I’d like Minn-Erva to come back as a more comics accurate Dr. Minn-Erva. Or why I thought MODOK and AIM would be an interesting adversary to her. Or Moonstone, rewritten as a scientist who successfully repeats Marr-Vell’s experiment, but has none of Marr-Vell’s ethics. Or Rogue, rewritten as a sympathetic antagonist forced to steal Carol’s power.

I’m leaning towards AIM (the idea of an organization reaching out its claws and experimenting on tons o people to try to make Carols en masse sounds awesome for a threat - and plus they could use that to empower Monica) or Rogue (as I’ve noted before, Rogue’s story could very easily be written to work well as a parallel to Carol’s own).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2019 at 11:04:17 AM

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#112194: Nov 8th 2019 at 11:06:27 AM

I have to wonder if the Supreme Intelligence is still in charge of the Kree Empire. Remember, Guardians of the Galaxy had them make a peace treaty with Xandar despite being at war for generations. That seems to be at odds with how the command structure worked in Captain Marvel, especially considering how they tried to wipe out the Skrulls when they were basically no threat to them.

I'm sure there's room to say the Supreme Intelligence allowed the peace treaty to be signed for pragmatic reasons. I just think a Captain Marvel sequel would work best as an Interquel taking place before Phase One, or at least feature flashbacks showcasing what happened during that time period. But then again, maybe moving forward in the franchise is the better course of action.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112195: Nov 8th 2019 at 1:14:38 PM

Personally I'd enjoy an interquel set before phase one so we could actually see what Captain Marvel promised at the end of the first film: to bring the Kree-Skrull war to a halt single-handedly.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#112198: Nov 8th 2019 at 2:14:50 PM

[up]Specifically for Pickle Rick.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#112199: Nov 8th 2019 at 2:16:26 PM

[up][up]For those of you wondering which episode she won the Emmy for, it was the Pickle Rick episode.

The writing is in good hands.

Edit - [nja]

Edited by Beatman1 on Nov 8th 2019 at 5:16:46 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112200: Nov 8th 2019 at 2:16:26 PM

Wait a minute.

Pickles are green, She-Hulk is green, it all makes sense.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 8th 2019 at 2:18:07 AM

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