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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#112126: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:14:26 PM

I felt that line was just implying Thor was born during the latter part of Odin's life after he had his change of heart and that she was resentful he usurped her place, rather than anything about when it happened.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112127: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:16:18 PM

Really, it's only the Iron Man and Thor movies that are really about cleaning up the messes daddy left behind. Which makes sense given the Daddy Issues Tony and Thor have.

Steve doesn't have Daddy Issues. He instead has displacement issues.

Edited by M84 on Nov 7th 2019 at 11:17:23 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112128: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:17:34 PM

Wait what about Ant-Man?

Though technically Scott isn't Hank's son. Guess its more specifically about fixing Pym family issues.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:19:58 AM

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#112129: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:18:32 PM

Scott is the messy dad, and so is Hank.

Also Guardians though more the second than the first.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112130: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:19:33 PM

Hank puts in a lot of work cleaning up his own mess, as does Hope. So it doesn't count.

Edited by M84 on Nov 7th 2019 at 11:22:05 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112131: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:21:26 PM

Also Scott doesn't really have any messes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#112132: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:21:29 PM

GOTG 2 and Infinity War also have their share of daddy issues.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112133: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:22:10 PM

Guardians of the Galaxy only deals with the Daddy Issues in the second movie. And it's less cleaning up a mess left behind by dad as it is outright stopping evil dad. It also has the less evil dad trying his best to set things right and giving his life in the process. So again it's a case of a not so great dad cleaning up his own mess.

Infinity War has a bit of it, but the conflict is such that the issues are put on the backburner. They don't get revisited until Endgame.

Edited by M84 on Nov 7th 2019 at 11:24:16 PM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#112134: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:25:22 PM

Okay not every film in the MCU features daddy issues, but a lot do.

Aside from the films already mentioned, there's also Iron Man 2 (Howard getting Anton deported led to Vanko wanting revenge), Black Panther (2018) (T'Chaka leaving Erik behind after killing his dad), The Incredible Hulk (if you want to count Ross for causing trouble for his daughter Betty), and arguably the Spider-Man films if you want to count Tony as Peter's father figure unintentionally creating his future villains.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112135: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:48:45 PM

There's a common observation that one of the reasons Thanos works great as "the ultimate MCU baddie" is that he's basically a overbearing parental figure on steroids who infantilizes everyone around him by acting like they're "children" and he is the only adult in the room (i.e the only one who knows how to save us).

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#112136: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:50:43 PM

[up][up]Spider-Man also has Vulture who is a villain and a father.

That's a weird objection. Nobody had any sort of rivalry or relationship with any of the Black Order.

They gave Proxima Midnight a Designated Girl Fight with not one but three female characters she had no rivalry or relationship with (the closest you have is Scarlet Witch basically avenging Proxima's attack on Vision earlier in the movie).

That said, I'm not sure how T'Challa would have beaten a guy who doesn't even need to touch him to kill him.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:51:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#112137: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:51:31 PM

[up][up] Turky is Thanos the truest daddy. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:51:53 AM

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#112138: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:57:14 PM

Scarlet Witch's curse is that she's constantly trying to get revenge on people that don't give a shit about her.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#112139: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:58:56 PM

I dunno, Ultron seemed to give a shit about her in his (main body's) final moments.

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#112141: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:06:41 PM

Hela and Loki as well.

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#112142: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:12:30 PM

Yeah, themes of fatherhood are very strong throughout almost the entire MCU, which is why papa Thanos was such a great final boss. He very much felt like a culmination.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Nov 7th 2019 at 12:14:18 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112143: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:35:08 PM

Though again, it's not in all of the MCU films. Steve's movies lack this theme, since his angst comes from not fitting in anywhere.

And it makes sense that the daddy issues crop up so much in the Avengers movies, considering how much they revolve around Tony Stark, who is Daddy Issues personified.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2019 at 1:38:12 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112144: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:37:41 PM

Huh I'm struggling to think of female Big Bad's at the moment.

Only thing that comes up is Big Mom from One Piece who does indeed leave a shit-ton of baggage to her 90 kids as a result of abysmal mothering.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2019 at 9:41:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112145: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:38:10 PM

The Kree Supreme Intelligence, though it only takes a female form when confronting Carol Danvers.

And if you're expanding beyond the MCU...there's a ton of them. Mother Gothel, Cruella De Vil, Madame Medusa, the Evil Queen, Maleficent, Ursula, Yzma, Zira...and those are just from Disney's animated movies!

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2019 at 1:40:43 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112146: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:44:11 PM

Wait let me think.

........ Ah fuck I'm straining!....... Daaaaaaaah Kuvira.

...... Also Kronika.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112147: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:46:38 PM

And damn near every Big Bad in Sailor Moon. Shit, in the manga the final form of the Ultimate Evil is even a Senshi!

There's also way more if we're going with videogames too. Mother Brain, the Shadow Queen, Risky Boots, SHODAN...

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2019 at 1:52:47 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112148: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:52:29 PM

Well then that also applies to a lot of the Pretty Cure series.

One of the co main villains of Borderlands 3 is a girl.

[down] I'd be hard pressed to call Ghost a Big Bad. She's kinda of more of a rogue agent whose single-minded determination gives her the impression of a mindless berserker.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 7th 2019 at 9:54:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112149: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:52:51 PM

This of course makes the MCU's relative lack of female Big Bads rather noticeable. There's the Kree Supreme Intelligence (though with caveats I mentioned already) and Ghost (though she's of the "sympathetic antagonist" variety)...and that's pretty much it.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#112150: Nov 7th 2019 at 9:54:12 PM

Rita Repulsa in the first season of Power Rangers and the 2017 movie.

Queen Bansheera in Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue.

Trakeena in Power Rangers Lost Galaxy.

Gloria in season 5 of Buffy.

Cipher in "The Fate of The Furious".


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