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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#112101: Nov 7th 2019 at 11:40:03 AM

So according to Kevin Feige, not only will WandaVision tie in to Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, but so will the Loki show on Disney+.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 7th 2019 at 5:43:59 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112102: Nov 7th 2019 at 12:58:24 PM

I suspect that they are going to bring in Alternate Timeline Loki into the main MCU timeline through that movie and that's how they bring Loki back for Thor: Love and Thunder (you can't have a Thor movie without Loki).

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#112103: Nov 7th 2019 at 1:00:09 PM

You can have a Thor film without Loki,and if your really clever you'll include a stinger which reveals Thor was Loki all along or something

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#112105: Nov 7th 2019 at 2:15:04 PM

I just want our Loki to reincarnate as Kid Loki so we can get a Journey into Mystery adaptation. Is that so much to ask?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112106: Nov 7th 2019 at 2:16:17 PM

Well you first have to sacrifice a goat and then they'll start talking I hear.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#112107: Nov 7th 2019 at 2:16:30 PM

Kid Loki would mean a kid actor so yes

Teen Loki or young adult Loki would be fine however

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112108: Nov 7th 2019 at 2:31:37 PM

Young Loki, Young Avengers, make it happen.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#112109: Nov 7th 2019 at 2:53:43 PM

But can he show up wearing this shirt?

"Low Key"

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123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#112110: Nov 7th 2019 at 3:00:47 PM

Now that Scarlet Witch and Loki are connected to Doctor Strange 2, I immediately thought of this Wikipedia image.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112111: Nov 7th 2019 at 3:02:49 PM

Incredible to remember that that's not out of character for Loki, especially in the mythology.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#112112: Nov 7th 2019 at 3:19:30 PM

Oh yeah. There was a time when they impersonated the Scarlet Witch and was a member of the Mighty Avengers. And then there was the time they had stolen Sif's body. And then there was the time when they were the God/Goddess of Stories and actually went back and forth between male and female. Here you go.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 7th 2019 at 3:22:05 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#112113: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:11:01 PM

Watching the original Thor.

He looked good in the helmet. It should have been a part of his standard get up.

It's not Thor without that Winged Helmet as far as I'm concerned.

Edit: And now, with the hindsight of Odin used to be like, his flat out refusal to seek out more violence against the Frost giants comes off as a dude who really wants to avoid falling off the violence wagon again. He's very afraid to unleash that beast again.

I get the feeling that he wasn't just afraid of how Thor was acting; he was scared of what he might become if he actually attacked them...a fear that he justifies one film later when his wife dies.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:17:12 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#112114: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:16:38 PM

He did briefly have that Sakaaran version of it in Ragnarok, for whatever that's worth.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#112115: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:21:32 PM

I think another layer of subtext Ragnarok added to Odin's character in the first movie was how he reacted to Thor violating the peace treaty with Jotunheim. Thor was acting rashly, but Odin probably feared that he was turning into another war-hungry conqueror like his sister. Obviously not the original intention, but it's something the audience can think about during a rewatch.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#112116: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:29:15 PM

One of the most interesting points is how much Ragnarok's revision of Asgard re-contextualizes the first film. One noticeable example is that Laufey's distaste for Asgard and talk of War Is Hell becomes a lot more poignant and the character ends up coming across as a lot more retroactively tragic.

Like when Thor comes to talk with him Laufey bellows "Your father is a murderer and a thief!" and as the third movie later shows...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112117: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:32:05 PM

Odin may not have been the best father but he certainly tried the best he knew how.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112118: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:33:49 PM

Really, the Thor movies are pretty much about Thor cleaning up the messes his father left behind.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#112119: Nov 7th 2019 at 6:54:38 PM

Really, the Thor MCU movies are pretty much about Thor the heroes cleaning up the messes his father their fathers left behind.

Fixed that for you. grin

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#112120: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:01:41 PM

One thing I'd like to see going forward in superhero movies is more morally gray or villainous mother figures, without relying on My Beloved Smother or Femme Fatale.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#112121: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:08:46 PM

Yeeesh I’m now imagining Beverly Goldberg from The Goldbergs as a supervillain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112122: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:08:53 PM

One of the most interesting points is how much Ragnarok's revision of Asgard re-contextualizes the first film. One noticeable example is that Laufey's distaste for Asgard and talk of War Is Hell becomes a lot more poignant and the character ends up coming across as a lot more retroactively tragic.

Not necessarily. Laufey's feud with Odin happened when Thor and Loki were kids, which would charitably be hundreds more probably more to the tune of thousands of years after Odin's conqueror days.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:11:11 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#112123: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:11:05 PM

There's one line from Hela that implies Thor was born around the time she was pushed out, though it's open to interpretation. "And then one day he decided to become a benevolent king. To foster peace, to protect life. To have you." Who knows how long Asgardian infancy lasts, though.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:13:13 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#112124: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:12:15 PM

The line indicates that Thor was born after Odin changed, but doesn't really imply anything about how long after that his birth was.

It's also worth noting that Odin's fight against Hela happened long enough ago that most living Asgardians had no idea who she is.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 7th 2019 at 7:14:31 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#112125: Nov 7th 2019 at 7:14:17 PM

[up]x6 Captain America wasn't about that, unless you consider Erskine as Steve's father figure with Steve having to defeat the monster Erskine's serum helped create.

Edited by M84 on Nov 7th 2019 at 11:14:31 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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