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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111926: Oct 28th 2019 at 1:11:01 PM

So, it look like Jeremy is still going to be hawkeye even after the scandal.

Found the source.

A representative for Renner told The Independent:

"The well-being of his daughter Ava has always been and continues to be the primary focus for Mr. Renner. This is a matter for the court to decide. It's important to note the dramatizations made in Ms. Pacheco's declaration are a one-sided account made with a specific goal in mind."

Despite the claims that Disney considered casting someone else, it's believed bosses have decided against the idea and will permit Renner to appear in future Marvel films.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 28th 2019 at 4:11:19 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111927: Oct 28th 2019 at 1:37:44 PM

So, literally the same as what happened with Cummings: a nasty divorce, slander thrown from both sides, Disney doesn’t bother to get involved.

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#111928: Oct 28th 2019 at 1:51:18 PM

Even though it has been done before (Edward Norton and Terrance Howard), I can't imagine Disney and Marvel re-casting Hawkeye, not after Jeremy Renner has been Hawkeye for several films already.

Unless they cast Nathan Fillion. Is it just me, or do he and Renner kinda look similar (except different colored hair).

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#111929: Oct 28th 2019 at 3:46:17 PM

I find it more likely Disney builds up his replacement and then kills him off once that's done, if this doesn't blow over.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#111930: Oct 28th 2019 at 3:51:02 PM

Funeral scene for Hawkeye.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#111931: Oct 28th 2019 at 3:52:18 PM

If I'm being honest I'd be totally cool with that. Kate Bishop all the way.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111932: Oct 28th 2019 at 3:54:34 PM

Can we get Fraction-Clint? He’s fucking hilarious.

Also bring in the OG costume. God his current look is awful.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 28th 2019 at 3:54:58 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#111934: Oct 28th 2019 at 4:24:38 PM

I never was that keen on MCU Clint and I don't expect them to milk him for that many more plots, so I doubt he'd have a lasting career past his show even without the Renner drama. It's likely they'll relocate him to the show permanently or retire/kill him in favor of fleshing Kate Bishop out more.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#111935: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:12:17 AM

I've been thinking of various NBC actors I'd like to see join the MCU, and one is Justin Hartley from This Is Us. He'd be a really great pick for a Fraction-style Hawkguy.

Has the right look and based on his tv show character, I can definitely see him playing that combination of likable douche and guy who is a hapless loser despite being above average in many respects.

Also, whoever plays Hawkguy on the show (hopefully not Renner), I was thinking they could introduce the element of him as a Technical Pacifist. I've never been the biggest fan of how kill-happy heroes are in the MCU, and Hawkguy's Endgame plotline as a Luc Besson-style murderer of evil non-white people was... not great. So, I think it would be a good Author's Saving Throw if Clint feels ashamed afterward of how he acted (partly because it wrecks his marriage), and so from then on vows never to take life.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 29th 2019 at 11:13:05 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111936: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:15:44 AM

Also, whoever plays Hawkguy on the show (hopefully not Renner)
It's definitely going to be Renner.

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#111938: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:18:08 AM

I'll maintain that as good as Fraction Hawkeye is, it would not have worked for the MCU Hawkeye due to lack of focus and the implications of playing trashfire Hawkeye for comedy after he had been traumatized by Loki mind control.

Post Endgame solo plus Kate series seems like a good place to push more towards that Fractioneye though.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111939: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:19:10 AM

Guy, guys, we already have a Fraction-era Hawkeye. His name is Lance Hunter.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 29th 2019 at 9:20:59 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#111940: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:24:55 AM

That is a good point. He's definitely a Hawkguy expy.

Without getting into the canonicity of the various shows, one nice thing about comic books is that it's possible for one work to use a character for a particular role, while leaving room for other works to use a different character.

Like for instance, my understanding is that AOS introduced a Captain America replacement character and obviously Falcon and Winter Soldier is doing that too with a different character.

And I also think you can have Jessica Drew in the MCU (here's hoping) despite her similarities to Jessica Jones (intentional since Bendis created Jones as an expy of Drew).

So, I don't think it would be a problem to have Clint suddenly acting (and looking) a lot like Lance Hunter. It's just that Mockingbird still wouldn't be his ex.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 29th 2019 at 11:29:13 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#111941: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:35:32 AM

Also remember that Fractions Hawkeye was published after MCU Hawkeye was introed and the decision was made to model the MCU version after the Ultimates version (wife and kids) THANKFULY Laura and the kids averted their Ultimate Comics Coumterparts fate *shutter* By the time Fraction's version got its following it was too late to alter his MCU version.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#111942: Oct 29th 2019 at 9:56:50 AM

Isn't Fraction Hawkeye rather divisive? From what I hear a lot of Clint fans felt he was flanderized into being an incompetent moron and years of his experience was ignored.

Besides, I don't think they'll change how Clint is written even if Renner is replaced.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 29th 2019 at 10:37:28 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#111943: Oct 29th 2019 at 10:31:45 AM

I don't know, is it?

Also, I feel like the existence of the show kind of necessitates a retooling of Clint's character to some degree, if they are keeping the dynamic of Kate as more grounded and not having much respect for Clint. That doesn't completely work with MCU Hawkeye who is a grounded family man (who had an unfortunate period as a murder hobo).

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#111944: Oct 29th 2019 at 10:45:44 AM

The Aja-esque title design suggests their will be influence from the Fraction series.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#111945: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:23:06 PM

Thirded or fourthed on Fraction Hawkeye. But that's also because I've never found MCU Clint as written to be terribly interesting.

Isn't Fraction Hawkeye rather divisive?

This is literally the first I'm hearing of this.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 29th 2019 at 2:23:45 AM

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#111946: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:23:56 PM

He was interesting as the Regular Guy on the team but more could have been done with that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111947: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:26:37 PM

I recall hearing it was Jeff Lemire who started making Clint more like a truly incompetent twat not Fraction while making Kate more overly competent to upsell her.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 29th 2019 at 2:29:02 AM

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#111948: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:45:02 PM

[up][up]I thought giving him a family was a neat idea, but it's not what I really was interested in seeing from him (especially in a solo capacity), and they didn't do all that much to develop him beyond that.

Even in Endgame he was basically "I just want my kids back!"

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#111949: Oct 29th 2019 at 2:56:57 PM

Fraction’s Hawkeye is more akin to Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training, with being a mess in his social life but having a good heart and with the arrow skill to make things up as he goes along. Additionally, Kate only looks more competent than him by comparison; it’s made clearer in her solo arc in Los Angeles that she is just as prone to screwing up and acting on impulse on her own.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 29th 2019 at 3:02:18 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#111950: Oct 31st 2019 at 7:52:28 AM

Leaked footage from the cancelled Ghost Rider pilot.

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 31st 2019 at 10:52:41 AM

This song needs more love.

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