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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111901: Oct 26th 2019 at 11:49:36 PM

I still have a soft spot for Rush Hour 1, where Chris Tucker was playing his character more as a discount Axel Foley, Jackie Chan's character has more heart and substance, and the plot and humor was actually pretty decent.

Then Rush Hour 2 came along with it's "what really makes this series great is all the racist jokes, so we'll spend half of it making racist jokes about Chinese people, but it'll be okay because the second half will have those same Chinese people making racist jokes about black people" crap.

But that's digressing.

If Rhodey plays any role, I figure it would either be the Hero of Another Story, or replace Nayland Smith (from the Fu Manchu universe) as the character from Shang Chi's origin who fights against Shang's father (here the Mandarin) and investigates/battles Shang when he's unwittingly working for the bad guys, only to recognize that he's a hero deep down and reveal his father's true nature.

The latter seems more likely, and would be really awesome to boot.

Speaking of which, looks like we're definitely getting the "Shang's father is evil and everyone but Shang knows" plot, not that it was in any way unlikely.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 26th 2019 at 11:52:50 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#111902: Oct 26th 2019 at 11:53:13 PM

Realizing your parents are dicks is a very classic and relatable story.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#111903: Oct 27th 2019 at 5:20:04 AM

Let's hope Shang-Chi is faster on the ball with his dad than the Nohr royal family.

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Oh, bother.
#111904: Oct 27th 2019 at 5:25:30 AM

[up][up]Granted usually it's more on the lines of finding out one or more of your parents is a bigot, an adulterer, a dishonest businessperson, or some combination of them. And that's if you don't already know your parent is a terrible person because they are physically and/or emotionally abusive.

It's usually not "parent is a murderous supervillain" level.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111905: Oct 27th 2019 at 5:26:53 AM

I'm hoping he actually kicks his dads ass & wins unlike Baki.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 27th 2019 at 5:27:19 AM

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#111906: Oct 27th 2019 at 5:28:17 AM

I just love how Jason unironically loves Jokerized fries & I guess Damien has to give him the toy now. [lol]

My favorite part is Bruce unironically being such a rich white dude in that scene. He's chewing out the poor minimum wage kid taking orders for what is clearly a corporate decision. Leave the kid alone, Bruce! He didn't design the menu items!

And people say the obnoxious billionaire is an act. [lol]

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#111907: Oct 27th 2019 at 6:09:33 AM

Granted usually it's more on the lines of finding out one or more of your parents is a bigot, an adulterer, a dishonest businessperson, or some combination of them. And that's if you don't already know your parent is a terrible person because they are physically and/or emotionally abusive.

It's usually not "parent is a murderous supervillain" level.

Has there ever been a time in superhero comics when someone found out there parents were a murderous supervillain as well as an adulterer and/or bigot?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#111908: Oct 27th 2019 at 7:20:16 AM

I figure most people would stop at the supervillain part.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#111909: Oct 27th 2019 at 7:25:28 AM

Finding out your parents are murderous supervillains is the entire plot of Runaways.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111910: Oct 27th 2019 at 8:31:13 AM

My favorite part is Bruce unironically being such a rich white dude in that scene.
Oh, it gets better: later, he starts eating his burger with a knife and fork.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111911: Oct 27th 2019 at 9:34:59 AM

Which comic/issue is that?

Also, goddammit DC, where the hell is Tim?

Finding out your parents are murderous supervillains is the entire plot of Runaways.

TBF, Shang Chi's plot is a little more specific than that.

IIRC, he knew he was being raised as an assassin/mercenary by a secret order, but thought his father was - like - the Big Good of the world. A venerable wise-man who was sending agents out like Kung Fu Solid Snake to covertly stop evil, fight injustice and kill horrible people and all that.

Then it turns out his father is actually a megalomaniac who was using him to victimize the innocent and further his own quest for national (in the original) / global (in this version, almost certainly) domination, breaking Shang's faith in who he is.

Basically, he thought he was Anakin and his father was Yoda. Turns out he was Vader and his father was Palpatine. He is not happy about this revelation.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 27th 2019 at 9:41:24 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#111912: Oct 27th 2019 at 9:39:05 AM

I might be nitpicky here but wouldn't it make more sense to say he thought he was Luke?

Edited by windleopard on Oct 27th 2019 at 9:39:40 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111913: Oct 27th 2019 at 9:44:05 AM

Not in this case. Luke never really did anything Yoda or Obi-Wan told him to do.

Anakin works because Anakin spent the entirety of the Clone Wars going out into the galaxy blowing stuff up, killing things occasionally, and generally being a proto-bloodthirsty ragemonster because he believed in the good of the Jedi and trusted that what he was doing to be the right thing - and to a degree he was right (for a while anyway). Some of the things Anakin does were nasty even in context, but he's definitively the good guy in the context of the Clone Wars.

This fits Shang Chi better - he believed he was raised by Fu Manchu / the Mandarin to be what Anakin was in the Clone Wars, only to find he was actually a mercenary and tool for the Big Bad.

Even after realizing this and changing sides, he was originally designed as a good guy who was trained by and sometimes behaved like a bad guy (something which as far as I know has been dropped since then), and the whole plot feeds into that.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 27th 2019 at 9:45:40 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111914: Oct 27th 2019 at 9:59:54 AM

Which comic/issue is that?
Batman (vol 3) #16.

Also, goddammit DC, where the hell is Tim?
At the time, Tim Drake was "dead" (i.e. trapped in another dimension by Mr. Oz). Thankfully, he escaped and is now a member of Young Justice (which, although it's written by Bendis, it's actually pretty great).

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#111915: Oct 27th 2019 at 4:24:31 PM

So, it look like Jeremy is still going to be hawkeye even after the scandal.

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#111917: Oct 27th 2019 at 4:29:22 PM

I don't think that was ever in question.

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#111918: Oct 27th 2019 at 4:40:33 PM

[up][up]Seconded.

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#111919: Oct 27th 2019 at 4:47:15 PM

So far, it just looks like an ugly divorce, so take everything with a lot of salt. Let's see how it ends, though.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#111920: Oct 28th 2019 at 2:40:54 AM

On a lighter note, someone recreated the whole mass assembling scene from Endgame in the style of the GBA Pokemon games. It's pretty awesome. Also press F for Natasha, Loki and Vision.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 28th 2019 at 2:42:08 AM

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Former King
#111921: Oct 28th 2019 at 6:37:44 AM

This gives me nostalgia for the Pokemon Generation 4 days where Pokemon sprite edits were everywhere.

The legend has returned.
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#111922: Oct 28th 2019 at 9:16:11 AM

So, there's this line in Season two of Luke Cage where Misty and Claire are busy exercising. I think Claire says something among the lines of "I thought Matt was invincible too. Then a building fell on him."

Wait, when was he "invincible"? I haven't watched Daredevil seasons one and two so I have no idea where this line came from.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111923: Oct 28th 2019 at 9:19:45 AM

Metaphorically invincible, I believe. Because he came out of every fight alive and intact. Until he didn't.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 28th 2019 at 9:22:26 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#111924: Oct 28th 2019 at 9:35:32 AM

I imagine their meaning is less "invincible" as in "ivulnerable" and more "absolutely fucking unkillable".

Or as the bards of yore put it...

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#111925: Oct 28th 2019 at 9:40:23 AM

It's a hard knock life.

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