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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#111826: Oct 25th 2019 at 6:21:23 AM

I don't know why Ghost Rider was cancelled, but I doubt it was because they wanted to consolidate the shows, simply because they would have also cancelled Helstrom at the same time, which they didn't. Helstrom is all cast and set to go forward.

Yeah, and we'll see what happens with that. I predict at most it gets one season just so the money already spent on producing it isn't wasted (especially if anybody has a Pay-or-Play Contract, obligating the studio to write them their paycheck regardless of whether the show gets made).

And then it gets cancelled too.

You can say "Isolated Incident Isolated Incident" on each and every cancellation all you want. But it's obvious which way the wind is blowing when a bunch of identical Isolated Incidents just so happen to occur in a short span of time. Marvel's cancelling their shows left and right, and announcing nothing new to replace them.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 25th 2019 at 7:26:46 AM

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#111827: Oct 25th 2019 at 7:22:28 AM

So....Tony is dead, so was is Cap and Nat, this means whatever villan they have is very probably it wont appear a this point(well, maybe in black widow future movie).

Which make me ask: in case marvel decide to use their rouge gallaery anyway and maybe transplant to other heroes, in what movie would you like to see it.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111828: Oct 25th 2019 at 7:22:37 AM

You can say "Isolated Incident Isolated Incident" on each and every cancellation all you want. But it's obvious which way the wind is blowing when a bunch of identical Isolated Incidents just so happen to occur in a short span of time.
Except they didn't occur at the same "short span of time." AOS's last season was announced last year. Those Netflix shows were cancelled a while ago and under very different circumstances. The only ones that happened relatively close to one another are Ghost Rider and Cloak and Dagger. And correlation does not equal causation.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 25th 2019 at 7:24:59 AM

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#111829: Oct 25th 2019 at 7:30:29 AM

> Tony is dead

he''ll be raised from the dead after three days films

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#111830: Oct 25th 2019 at 7:44:10 AM

Except they didn't occur at the same "short span of time." AOS's last season was announced last year. Those Netflix shows were cancelled a while ago and under very different circumstances. The only ones that happened relatively close to one another are Ghost Rider and Cloak and Dagger. And correlation does not equal causation.

Sure.

Runaways airs its third season on December 13th. We'll see what happens, but I bet you good money it's cancelled by mid-2020.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111831: Oct 25th 2019 at 8:18:11 AM

And Helstrom airs in 2020. And Agents of SHIELD airs Summer of 2020.

And Marvel TV still has a ton of animated content coming on Hulu.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111832: Oct 25th 2019 at 11:09:24 AM

I figure we’re going to start seeing a bit more Rogues' Gallery Transplant in the future.

They finally have a place to put Hulk’s Rogues Gallery now that She-Hulk is coming out, but there’s the fact that they only used two of Iron Man’s regular rogues and one arc villain in his series (we’re already seeing them transplant his rogues onto other characters, with Ant-Man and Shang-Chi), Thor’s Earthborne enemies, major Cap villains they didn’t get to (like MODOK, and we’re already about to get Taskmaster against Widow), etc.

Meanwhile, several of the upcoming new blood heroes don’t have the most fleshed out rogues galleries, so it wouldn’t be surprising if they kept tacking other characters’ villains against them.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 25th 2019 at 11:10:38 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#111833: Oct 25th 2019 at 12:03:48 PM

Who is Paste Pot Pete traditionally a villain for?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#111834: Oct 25th 2019 at 12:16:03 PM

I believe he started as a villain for Johnny during an apparent solo run, then became an opponent for the four as a whole as a part of the Frightful Four, and has also fought Spiderman (helped frame him way back when, forcing Peter to create the identities that would become the Slingers).

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 25th 2019 at 1:17:51 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111836: Oct 25th 2019 at 1:12:36 PM

Yeah. Though Pete not taking him seriously ever probably inspired that previously mentioned framing.

Old Pete never lived down that old name even after becoming the Trapster.

As I understand it, he's apparently legitimately competent, but not taken seriously by anyone in a manner similar to the Shocker.

...there should be a whole team of villains who're treated like losers, but actually good at what they do getting together to pull off crimes no one would expect from them because of their Memetic Loser status. A nice thrown bone for all those with the potential to be better even if the world won't accept it.

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#111837: Oct 25th 2019 at 1:13:31 PM

I don’t think Peter should throw stones

His whole life is a glass house

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111838: Oct 25th 2019 at 4:05:25 PM

Amusingly, though not great as a Spidey bad guy, Trapster power-set is pretty much perfect for fighting the Torch - who he was designed to fight.

Spidey’s taken a few of Torch’s enemies over the years. Beetle’s practically a Spider-Man villain these days as well.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 25th 2019 at 4:06:37 AM

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#111839: Oct 25th 2019 at 4:10:32 PM

Hang out enough with a guy and you'll end up with some of their stuff. The same happens with Daredevil.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111840: Oct 25th 2019 at 4:12:47 PM

Ooooh female-Beetle would be a perfect antag for She-Hulk & Matt if they ever decide to bring back Daredevil.

She’s the daughter of well known mob boss Tombstone & a supervillain lawyer. At one point in the comics she stated she wanted to be the Hillary Clinton of drug lords.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#111841: Oct 26th 2019 at 6:53:22 AM

I believe the closest comic Pepper came to having interest in Tony was her crush on his Iron Man persona

Iron Man is a man in a bulky metal suit.

Black Widow wears a catsuit. Spider Man wears a one-sie. Thor is an actual god with ropes of muscles . Loki is played by Tom Hiddleston... and that does things for people I guess.

Having crushes on those characters makes sense.

How do you have a crush on a man wearing a bulky suit of armor? I take it she knew it was Tony in there, yes? Even so. Did Stark act all that differently as Iron Man? No interest in the man underneath the suit, but in love with his heroics?

Edited by Soble on Oct 26th 2019 at 6:54:42 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111842: Oct 26th 2019 at 6:57:00 AM

What, the Knight in Shining Armor thing (yes it's Powered Armor but still) isn't good enough a reason to develop a crush?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#111843: Oct 26th 2019 at 7:13:38 AM

Knight in garish Powered Armor.

A 3-10 year old girl falling in love with the romantic image of a knight riding atop a mighty steed? Sure. Crush away.

A 20-40 year old woman having a crush on a suit of powered armor that fights robots and aliens? I'm perturbed.

I mean it's not even like the Iron Man suit is particularly form-fitting or skintight, or fanserv-ilicious. It's not like Tony has a plate on the back dedicated to supporting his ass. It's not like the suit is designed to make him look Herculean. I don't think there's much sexy about it.

So Pepper is crushing on a rather unattractive suit of metal.

It'd be one thing if Tony's face was visible and she knew he was in there. But, if not, I mean, I guess there's room out there for people who get turned on by powered armor.

Edited by Soble on Oct 26th 2019 at 7:16:03 AM

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#111844: Oct 26th 2019 at 7:18:16 AM

[up]I promise you, some people are attracted to way more outlandish things.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111845: Oct 26th 2019 at 7:24:20 AM

Never thought I'd see kink-shaming here.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#111846: Oct 26th 2019 at 7:28:51 AM

People do fall for personalities

And also Tony sculpts abs on some of his armor

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#111847: Oct 26th 2019 at 7:45:26 AM

Also, Powered Armor is sexy as fuck, nothing hotter than the might of modern machines being worn and wielded by a science warrior underneath.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111848: Oct 26th 2019 at 8:54:14 AM

The shape of a man without any of its weaknesses.

Plus the appeal of the mystery of who is inside the armor.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#111849: Oct 26th 2019 at 8:57:54 AM

Y'all need help. The Iron Man armor is about as far from sexually appealing as you can get.

Now if you'll excuse me I have some Gamora Rocket Racoon Groot fanart to get back to.

Edited by Soble on Oct 26th 2019 at 9:00:01 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111850: Oct 26th 2019 at 8:58:49 AM

Never underestimate the THIRST.


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