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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111777: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:23:05 PM

[up][up]A couple of them did. They had a nice chat going too. Then the other Runaways showed up and blasted him because the Runaways main thing is that their experiences with their evil supervillain parents have pretty much destroyed any trust they had in adults.

Edited by M84 on Oct 24th 2019 at 9:23:20 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#111778: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:26:00 PM

[up][up]Like the other Marvel TV shows it was in a weird spot. I mean I liked what I saw, but hopefully they can show up in one of those bigger production. Who wants She-Hulk to defend them in a case?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111779: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:28:10 PM

[up][up] And heartwarming moment ruined......

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111780: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:28:24 PM

[up][up][up]

Well, Gert kinda sorta spat all over his Comes Great Responsibility philosophy, basically calling it bullcrap...and that's before the others showed up and blasted him.

I believe the distrust also comes from the Avengers kinda just tossing them in foster care at the end of their first mini or something like that.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 24th 2019 at 7:28:51 AM

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#111781: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:33:15 PM

Cloak & Dagger canceled

Yep.

I want to be surprised but I've been saying this for a while now: Disney wants to consolidate their MCU products under Disney+.

It's why they cancelled the Netflix shows.

It's why they cancelled Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

It's why the Ghost Rider spinoff suddenly isn't happening.

And now it's come for the Hulu shows.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111782: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:36:00 PM

[up][up] Man are teenagers annoying.

Such edgy try-hards.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#111783: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:36:47 PM

A major out of character moment for Captain America and why I don’t think much of Runaways’ position in the larger marvel universe

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111784: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:44:31 PM

The funny thing is that the whole foster care thing actually works for a later member of the Runaways, Klara Prast. She got Happily Adopted by a pair of married men. That's especially meaningful since she's from the past and had a very harsh upbringing that meant she was pretty bigoted. Her being very happy with her new family is a sign that she's grown past her bigotry.

The Runaways' mistrust in adults is further reinforced by their experiences with Molly's grandmother who turns out to be a Mad Scientist.

Edited by M84 on Oct 24th 2019 at 9:48:00 PM

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#111785: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:48:40 PM

Losing faith in adults seems like a common thing on Marvel teens. Isn't that why the Champions exist?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111786: Oct 24th 2019 at 6:54:28 PM

Even evil teens get in on the act. There's an entire team of evil teen villains called the Young Masters whose whole shtick is that they don't think the adult supervillains are up to snuff anymore.

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#111787: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:00:47 PM

Well, Gert kinda sorta spat all over his Comes Great Responsibility philosophy, basically calling it bullcrap...and that's before the others showed up and blasted him.

God, that moment was the worst.

"That's inane. Most people in life don't have great power, and the few that do are almost never responsible with it. The people who have the greatest responsibility are the kids with no power, because we're the ones who have to keep everybody else in check."

It's one of those bits of dialogue where the writer clearly intends for you to be like, "YEAH, you TELL HIM!" but actually just comes across like the writer has no idea what the f*ck they're talking about. It's ill-conceived one-upsmanship to try and score a point off of Marvel's flagship franchise, made by a writer who is not actually equipped to score the goal they're shooting for.

It starts out with a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire Great Power premise. Gert's first sentence treats "With great power, there must always come great responsibility" as if it's a statement of fact. Everyone with power automatically is responsible, period. But it's actually an instructive guideline: if you have power, then you are morally obligated to behave responsibly.

"Lots of people with power are irresponsible," isn't a rebuttal. It's just restating the reason for why a moral guideline is needed. It's the equivalent of saying that "Thou shalt not steal" is a stupid rule 'cause lots of people steal.

Then the second sentence dives straight into batshit crazytown. Since people WITH POWER are irresponsible f*ckwits, the people with NO POWER are the ones who are really responsible, because they use their NO POWER to rein in the actions of people WITH POWER. Somehow. Despite having no power.

It's a bad panel.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 24th 2019 at 8:01:47 AM

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#111788: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:06:27 PM

Spidey at least didn't seem too impressed with it.

"Wow. You are totally going to be an Avenger when you grow up."

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#111789: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:07:42 PM

And then Nico busts in and magics spider man even though he’s totally just eating

The Runaways are dicks. Except Old Lace who has never done anything wrong

[up] I’m not too sure what that rebuttal is even supposed to mean

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 24th 2019 at 10:09:36 AM

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#111790: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:09:40 PM

Yes, yes Runaways we get it your parents were dicks.

Doesn’t mean you have to be dicks in return.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111791: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:58:11 PM

[up]X4

To be fair, Gert's an incredibly cynical girl who already distrusted heroes well before the thing with her Parents and the other adults pissing them off. I'm not surprised she'd find something to tear down in Pete's statement. She was probably resigned to distrust him from the get go.

This girl was already calling super heroes super fascists well before either Civil War was ever a thing.

...and I don't feel like I really defended her well here.

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#111792: Oct 24th 2019 at 7:59:23 PM

So she is just a loudmouth angry teen? OK.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111793: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:03:03 PM

What makes this dumber is that Spidey started out as a teen. He starting heroing around the same age as them.

So unlike his interactions with Kamala where there is a clear admiration & respect between the preceding & succeeding generation, here Gert just comes across as "My generation is far better then you ya old fart."

Plus Spidey was inspired to heroism after the death of his beloved parental figure.

[up][up] Well you more explained her issues than defending them. Honestly she sounds exactly like an edgy try hard teen.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 24th 2019 at 8:04:04 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111794: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:04:07 PM

[up][up]Pretty much.

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#111795: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:06:08 PM

I wonder if this was an attempt to relate to the younger crowd, by giving them heroes their age that are better than the adults.

The problem with that, of course, is that kids tend to LIKE the older heroes. Especially Spider-Man.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111796: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:08:09 PM

Never mind that the Runaways actual record as heroes wasn't that great (though when they did win they won big — they did save humanity from being wiped out by nephilim). They were at least self-aware of this: their motto is "try not to die".

Edited by M84 on Oct 24th 2019 at 11:10:52 PM

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#111797: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:10:22 PM

The Runaways are pretty popular among teen audiences, even if Spidey's appeal is all ages.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 24th 2019 at 8:12:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111798: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:12:03 PM

Plus they lack the colorful ensemble.

On one hand you got adult heroes with a diverse array of appearances constantly saving the day & engaging in larger than life battles with equally colorful foes.

On the other are a bunch of edgy teens in regular clothes running away from their evil parents. tongue

Though hey so I don't seem like I'm constantly ragging on them, they fact they are still in syndication shows they do have a fanbase.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 24th 2019 at 8:13:07 AM

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#111799: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:21:06 PM

The original run of the Runaways went sharply downhill after the first arc

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111800: Oct 24th 2019 at 8:23:46 PM

[up][up]Yeah. Runaways was pretty popular, even if a lot of hoops had to be jumped through to make the adults kinda look bad.

But then again, making other characters look bad in the lead's comic isn't such a new thing. Still, a world where Captain America doesn't immediately do all he can to help make sure these kids are well taken care of is not the world I know.

[up]I recall hearing that. Gert died sometime later (though she's back now) and Old Lace was lost for a while until Hank Pym helped them out back during his time teaching at Avengers Academy.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 24th 2019 at 9:26:21 AM

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