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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
In the immortal words of fellow New Hollywood legend John Carpenter:
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time.
He’s also 80. And he directed Jack.
“Old man yells at cloud.”
Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 20th 2019 at 12:18:39 PM
Him saying that not all the Marvel movies will go down as classics makes me wonder which ones will.
I’m inclined to say Winter Soldier, Ragnarok and Black Panther af the very least. Perhaps the first Avengers as well, and at least one of the new Spider-Mans (though Into the Spider-Verse probably trumps them both). Other than that, I couldn’t say.
Oh God! Natural light!The Guardians movies and Black Panther are my own picks for stand-out classics that I could recommend to non-MCU fans, personally. And of course Into the Spider-Verse and Logan if you're extending it to beyond the MCU.
Anyway, yet another one on the pile of famous movie people dunking on the MCU, even if they're allowed their own opinion. And once again it doesn't affect my enjoyment of them in any real way.
Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 20th 2019 at 1:11:42 AM
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Avengers is going to be remembered but it seems to already suffer from some degree of "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny in certain circles. I admit that this might be myopic and based on just people I know, but in general the big reason why Avengers was such a pop culture phenomenon was that a shared universe culminating in a big crossover film that was at least decent and somewhat satisfying had never been done before.
It's been over a decade and now that notion isn't really special anymore because everyone and their mother is trying to do a shared universe. Marvel themselves have made more crossover films that were much more grandiose and overall had better writing and characterization.
I personally didn't like the film at all when it came out but I admit that was my own bias at the time. I didn't really like the other MCU films past the first Iron Man and found them rather mediocre, which exposed what I saw as the fundamental flaw of the film: if you weren't really excited by the concept of the teamup, then the film doesn't really work because it has little to offer beyond that in terms of substance or thematic depth. And I didn't see a reason to be invested in the characters because the films they were in were mediocre and didn't provide a good reason for me to care about them.
Now in retrospect I view it somewhat more favorably but only because of the third act, really. For the rest I view it as just "ok".
Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 20th 2019 at 4:17:58 AM
Yeah, is kinda like spiderman of sam reimi it matter more for what it implicated(that specialy efect manage to recreate stuff from the comics, allow for first time to actually making a enjoyable comic movie)that the movie itself.
In this case, avenger mark the idea that MCU is not just some lousy movies that just skinda sort of happen in the same universe but a shared universe.
In fact and let face it, the MCU is more worth by the sum of is part than individually.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I'd say the first Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Infinity War, Winter Soldier and Black Panther will make their mark in the future. Ragnarok and Avengers, too, possibly, but I find them more of a cypher as far as legacy goes.
Other superhero films aside from the MCU from "the boom era" (i.e since IM 1) that I feel will have an impact in cinematographic studies (for good or for ill) in the future will be Fox's Deadpool and Logan, DC's Wonder Woman and M. Night Shyamalan's Glass Trilogy (Split and Glass being the ones released during the "boom" of the last ten years) and Josh Trank's Chronicle.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Even back then I gravitated more towards Guardians 1 than Avengers, which was certainly a commendable achievement for its time that simply hasn't held up too well in the wake of time passing and later installments to the franchise and genre as a whole going on to be bigger and better.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)Gaon:I think another subject worthy of study, even if a little bit is the "Phase 0" that is from spiderman of sam raimi to maybe Nolan batman that is "superhero without a superhero world" so to speak and the evolution that allow the shared universe.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I do wonder how other people view Marvel. I know people in Hollywood hate them and some sites like 4chan or some parts of You Tube calling everyone who likes or worked on them very nasty words to say the least. If nothing else the question of if these movies can be considered as art has me intrigued about what this could mean for the future. Edit: Is it possible this negativity could result in a downward projection of profit?
Edited by Mizerous on Oct 20th 2019 at 5:34:00 AM
Just Makima.

The No True Scotsman part is what bothers me. Not liking movies is fine, but they're still movies or "cinema". It's like saying The Room isn't a real movie because it's ass. It doesn't make any sense.