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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Theoretically Tilda Swinton getting into the MCU I'd be down with, but good lord was this a casting misfire. I imagine some people groaned to themselves when she turned up again in Endgame.
At least we have Shang-Chi on the way.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)That was an excuse proffered by one of the screenwriters in an interview, but I don't know if it's actually true as Kamar-Taj had already been relocated to Nepal and they could've easily made him Nepali. It wouldn't surprise me if it did though, although that now raises the question as to which one is worse, Disney either kowtowing to racist white audiences/executives or to racist Chinese censors?
Doctor Strange's screenwriter C. Robert Cargill suggested in an interview
that pressure from China would prevent them from portraying the Ancient One as Tibetan, but later tweeted
that this was just speculation and neither he nor Marvel had received any orders from the PRC.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 19th 2019 at 5:28:56 AM
I know it got brought up as a joke this time, but people were actually serious about it the last time, so: I generally don't like the use of "they're just jealous" because it's usually an attempt to discredit something someone is saying without actually addressing what they're trying to say. Which you don't really need to do with Scorcese because there's plenty wrong with what he said on its own merits.
Though I will say Coppola's comments carry rather less weight given he's been irrelevant for quite some time now.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 20th 2019 at 10:32:52 AM
It didn't occur to me that "just jealous" was used in a serious manner.
He did a re-re-cut of Apocalypse Now this year, calling it a "Final Cut", but I don't think I've seen much in the way of hype for it.
(Now I'm wondering if he said what he said for the sake of attention.)
hbomberguy did a great video about Director's Cuts
and took a look at Apocalypse Now in particular, declaring the Director's Cuts to be terrible and not even wanting to see the Final Cut.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 20th 2019 at 7:41:58 AM
People can not like a movie, but they still call them movies. Most of the writers and directors I've heard who dislike Marvel movies, you know, acknowledge that they are movies, they just don't like them/don't think they are good.
Scorcese and Coppolla are saying "No, no, they aren't movies at all. Because...I said so!"
I do think Coppolla's nephew might have some words for him: Nicolas Cage.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 20th 2019 at 8:26:59 AM
I call this whole "controversy" on whether comic book movies are cinema to be dumb. It's riddled with No True Scotsman so much that it might as well be a guy trying to get past the Berlin Wall. Dislike a movie, but it's still a movie. It also reinforces the idea that True Art Is Angsty or True Art Is Incomprehensible.

The reinvention of M'Baku in Black Panther showed that an offensive stereotype like the Ancient One or Man-Ape can be reworked into a compelling character, if Marvel actually hired people from the relevant culture instead of struggling in the dark by themselves.