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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Like the anniversary shows for Kamen Rider Decade & Zi-O involved time dimension traveling to past shows.
For Decade not counting it traveled to 9 shows & Zi-O not counting Zi-O but including Decade traveled to 19 shows at different points in each of the shows individual history.
So imagine time-traveling to that many shows in a 49 episode run.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2019 at 8:29:13 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Basically, I really really hope Kang doesn't become the MCU's next Overarching Villain.
Personally I'd like to see Shuma-Gorath take that role, though admittedly it's a challenge to really get across how threatening a being like Shuma-Gorath ought to be in any medium.
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But also:
I'd expect all of you to do the same to me.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 17th 2019 at 9:32:30 AM
One Strip! One Strip!Weight, I have more! Tons more (metric ones)!
I'd love to see Shuma as the next Big Bad, full on Cosmic Horror.
If Tony was still alive, he'd be great as the character who tries to combat this unknowable threat by studying and understanding it, only to be driven mad and unwillingly fall under its thrall, forcing the others to rescue him.
Now I guess they'd have to use Banner or Shuri. Or Hank.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 17th 2019 at 8:35:44 AM
The one complaint I ever had about EMH was that it jerked off Dr. Doom a little too much.
And, ya know, it did that for The Hulk, too, but no more so than pretty much every other animated Marvel property of around that time.
My various fanfics.I never really like the cosmic scale stuff in comics. It always reaches a level of escalation that I can't really comprehend on an emotional level, so I'm not sure what it adds to the proceedings. If that makes any sense?
Like, if you're trying to defeat a cosmic villain, either the power discrepancy is ridiculous, in which case you need to contrive a reason why the heroes can win (unrelated but I felt this with Pennywise in the recent IT films. IT is supposed to be an eldritch abomination and rivals with an interdimensional turtle that vomited up the entire universe, but it never EVER gets to feel that powerful because it has to be beaten by a bunch of kids), or you have a hero who is cosmically powerful as well, in which case it's the same conflict as ever (who can punch harder) just scaled up.
Even Thanos never really felt like a cosmic threat to me, even though he literally dusted portions of the whole universe. Because all the focus was centralized (rightfully so) on Earth.
I'd rather a threat be comprehensible than brain meltingly vast. Especially in a medium that's about beating the villains.
Edited by GNinja on Oct 18th 2019 at 8:06:22 AM
Kaze ni Nare!Well that sums up the problem with modern Dragon Ball & for another example even Naruto.
DB, every major opponent's now gotta be some beyond the God level threat that can manage to destroy the entire universe in only a couple punches & can only be triumphed over with a brand-spanking new transformation that generally renders the other forms redundant. Deescalation no longer exists.
Naruto, the only people who can manage to perform a credible threat against the 2 overpowered protagonists are literally inter-dimensional alien demon rabbit lords who can manipulate reality, absorb energy, & all sorts of other OP shit. Keep in mind this was once the same franchise where one of the most deadliest warriors was considered that just cause he could make cloudy mist for some good stealth kills.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."That's the issue, you go too big and you lose track of the characters, you go too small and this universe-smashing event becomes Shot/Reverse Shot of a handful of characters.
Heck, even the comics have struggled to properly write Shuma-Gorath as an eldritch god of gods that can still be beaten by superheroes. They've so far come up with stuff like using Shuma-Gorath's own power to defeat it (with the caveat that doing this leads to its killer becoming Shuma-Gorath as the power possesses them) and summoning other deities against it (with the caveat that even then the deities are only fighting "fragments" of Shuma-Gorath). In one storyline they had to resort to summoning Death itself to defeat Shuma-Gorath along with its fellow Many-Angled Ones.
Back when Shuma-Gorath was a Conan foe, it's one of the few threats dire enough to get Crom off his ass to stop it. Crom, the grim god who normally doesn't answer prayers because he considers the gift of life and willpower to be all that humanity needs.
Edited by M84 on Oct 18th 2019 at 5:12:11 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe part that best sticks out in my mind from EMH was when Thor bitchsmacks Ultron and bellows "Ultron, I will have words with thee!" And also, that was probably my favorite version of the Hulk because he's not a raging man-baby; he's an asshole who nonetheless works as a hero as an agreement with Banner.
The legend has returned.Though its more accurate to say Shuma-Gorath's name was taken from Conan. The character as of itself was pretty much wholly created by Marvel (or more precisely, Steve Eagleheart).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Now there's a villain with...
... gravitas.