TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111401: Oct 17th 2019 at 8:27:29 PM

Now there's a villain with...

... gravitas.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111402: Oct 17th 2019 at 8:29:03 PM

Like the anniversary shows for Kamen Rider Decade & Zi-O involved time dimension traveling to past shows.

For Decade not counting it traveled to 9 shows & Zi-O not counting Zi-O but including Decade traveled to 19 shows at different points in each of the shows individual history.

So imagine time-traveling to that many shows in a 49 episode run. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2019 at 8:29:13 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111403: Oct 17th 2019 at 8:29:44 PM

Basically, I really really hope Kang doesn't become the MCU's next Overarching Villain.

Personally I'd like to see Shuma-Gorath take that role, though admittedly it's a challenge to really get across how threatening a being like Shuma-Gorath ought to be in any medium.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#111404: Oct 17th 2019 at 8:30:53 PM

[up][up][up]

But also:

I'd expect all of you to do the same to me.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 17th 2019 at 9:32:30 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111405: Oct 17th 2019 at 8:32:42 PM

Weight, I have more! Tons more (metric ones)!

Personally I'd like to see Shuma-Gorath take that role, though admittedly it's a challenge to really get across how threatening a being like Shuma-Gorath ought to be in any medium.

I'd love to see Shuma as the next Big Bad, full on Cosmic Horror.

If Tony was still alive, he'd be great as the character who tries to combat this unknowable threat by studying and understanding it, only to be driven mad and unwillingly fall under its thrall, forcing the others to rescue him.

Now I guess they'd have to use Banner or Shuri. Or Hank.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 17th 2019 at 8:35:44 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#111406: Oct 17th 2019 at 9:59:49 PM

The best version of everything was in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

My various fanfics.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#111407: Oct 17th 2019 at 10:04:04 PM

They even had the best take on Hank Pym outside the comics.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111408: Oct 17th 2019 at 10:15:12 PM

Its Hank & Janet were both a delight.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#111409: Oct 17th 2019 at 11:05:15 PM

The one complaint I ever had about EMH was that it jerked off Dr. Doom a little too much.

And, ya know, it did that for The Hulk, too, but no more so than pretty much every other animated Marvel property of around that time.

My various fanfics.
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#111410: Oct 18th 2019 at 1:03:56 AM

I never really like the cosmic scale stuff in comics. It always reaches a level of escalation that I can't really comprehend on an emotional level, so I'm not sure what it adds to the proceedings. If that makes any sense?

Like, if you're trying to defeat a cosmic villain, either the power discrepancy is ridiculous, in which case you need to contrive a reason why the heroes can win (unrelated but I felt this with Pennywise in the recent IT films. IT is supposed to be an eldritch abomination and rivals with an interdimensional turtle that vomited up the entire universe, but it never EVER gets to feel that powerful because it has to be beaten by a bunch of kids), or you have a hero who is cosmically powerful as well, in which case it's the same conflict as ever (who can punch harder) just scaled up.

Even Thanos never really felt like a cosmic threat to me, even though he literally dusted portions of the whole universe. Because all the focus was centralized (rightfully so) on Earth.

I'd rather a threat be comprehensible than brain meltingly vast. Especially in a medium that's about beating the villains.

Edited by GNinja on Oct 18th 2019 at 8:06:22 AM

Kaze ni Nare!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111411: Oct 18th 2019 at 1:15:23 AM

Well that sums up the problem with modern Dragon Ball & for another example even Naruto.

DB, every major opponent's now gotta be some beyond the God level threat that can manage to destroy the entire universe in only a couple punches & can only be triumphed over with a brand-spanking new transformation that generally renders the other forms redundant. Deescalation no longer exists.

Naruto, the only people who can manage to perform a credible threat against the 2 overpowered protagonists are literally inter-dimensional alien demon rabbit lords who can manipulate reality, absorb energy, & all sorts of other OP shit. Keep in mind this was once the same franchise where one of the most deadliest warriors was considered that just cause he could make cloudy mist for some good stealth kills.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#111412: Oct 18th 2019 at 1:19:00 AM

In fairness to Thanos, he has to meet very specific conditions to become a universe-scale threat. But I do agree it would have been nice to see a glimpse of how other planets were affected. Maybe future movies like Captain Marvel 2 or even an FF movie can explore that.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#111413: Oct 18th 2019 at 1:24:13 AM

That's the issue, you go too big and you lose track of the characters, you go too small and this universe-smashing event becomes Shot/Reverse Shot of a handful of characters.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111414: Oct 18th 2019 at 2:05:21 AM

Heck, even the comics have struggled to properly write Shuma-Gorath as an eldritch god of gods that can still be beaten by superheroes. They've so far come up with stuff like using Shuma-Gorath's own power to defeat it (with the caveat that doing this leads to its killer becoming Shuma-Gorath as the power possesses them) and summoning other deities against it (with the caveat that even then the deities are only fighting "fragments" of Shuma-Gorath). In one storyline they had to resort to summoning Death itself to defeat Shuma-Gorath along with its fellow Many-Angled Ones.

Back when Shuma-Gorath was a Conan foe, it's one of the few threats dire enough to get Crom off his ass to stop it. Crom, the grim god who normally doesn't answer prayers because he considers the gift of life and willpower to be all that humanity needs.

Edited by M84 on Oct 18th 2019 at 5:12:11 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#111416: Oct 18th 2019 at 5:49:00 AM

I mean Thor lost his world already plus Zanzabar was likely leveled after Thanos arrived.

Just Makima.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#111417: Oct 18th 2019 at 6:00:44 AM

Man, are they going to bring back everyone from The Incredible Hulk except for Edward Nortan?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#111418: Oct 18th 2019 at 6:16:46 AM

The part that best sticks out in my mind from EMH was when Thor bitchsmacks Ultron and bellows "Ultron, I will have words with thee!" And also, that was probably my favorite version of the Hulk because he's not a raging man-baby; he's an asshole who nonetheless works as a hero as an agreement with Banner.

The legend has returned.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#111419: Oct 18th 2019 at 6:37:20 AM

And he once science owned Tony

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#111420: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:01:41 AM

I didn't know Shuma Gorath used to be a Conan character.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111421: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:05:18 AM

Conan actually is owned by Marvel now.

He’s currently on the Avengers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#111422: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:08:35 AM

Conan's comic book series is owned by Marvel,but the short stories are in public domain

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#111423: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:10:55 AM

That explains the Savage Avengers.

Edited by Soble on Oct 18th 2019 at 7:11:48 AM

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#111424: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:13:22 AM

...wait what? That's kinda cool actually. Albeit not that surprising since Conan has a history with Marvel.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#111425: Oct 18th 2019 at 7:50:16 AM

Though its more accurate to say Shuma-Gorath's name was taken from Conan. The character as of itself was pretty much wholly created by Marvel (or more precisely, Steve Eagleheart).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Total posts: 186,763
Top