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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#111202: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:24:55 AM

Has Jeremy Renner even been confirmed to appear in anything in Phase 4 aside from the Hawkeye show? It would make sense for him to be in Black Widow, at least.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#111203: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:45:02 AM

Kevin Feige is now the Chief Creative Officer at Marvel in general.

He now oversees most of Marvel, including comics and TV.

Yes, the movies can now reference the shows.

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 15th 2019 at 2:45:31 PM

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#111204: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:46:07 AM

But they won't because marvel tv shows dont exist,unless you mean the new shows on Disney plus

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111205: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:49:15 AM

[up] I think it means all TV shows moving forward will have a tighter connection to the movies.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 15th 2019 at 2:53:36 PM

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#111207: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:50:36 AM

[up][up][up][up]If I'm reading that correctly, Marvel Comics is the only major asset left in the Marvel Entertainment subsidiary, since all the others are now with Marvel Studios.

If this isn't evidence that Perlmutter is on his way out, nothing is.

Edited by Mario1995 on Oct 15th 2019 at 2:52:50 PM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#111208: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:53:03 AM

As far as I can tell, the biggest thing Perlmutter is in charge of now is the games division.

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 15th 2019 at 2:55:10 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111209: Oct 15th 2019 at 11:53:54 AM

[up][up] Haven't thought of that. It might as well be for the best. Ike's kind of a prick anyway.

In any case, this is huge, isn't it? Because holy crud, this feels huge. surprised

Maybe now we can get revivals of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and The Spectacular Spider-Man on Disney+? evil grin

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 15th 2019 at 2:54:55 PM

Andrei_Bondoc Since: Jan, 2019
#111210: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:47:02 PM

[up]Don't have high hopes. The Spectacular Spider-Man, after all, was created at Adelaide Productions (a Sony Pictures Television company), so it's owned by Sony, and it was also not made at Marvel Animation (TSSM was announced in 2007, while Marvel Animation was founded in January 2008), and Greg Weisman is still busy with Young Justice. For The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!, one of its developers, Christopher Yost, is busy with the live-action Cowboy Bebop Netflix Original Series.

So, don't rush rejoicing for that. Or you will have another bitter mood that will last until the events beyond our control happen as you imagined.

Also, this [up](x7) surprised me pleasantly.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Oct 15th 2019 at 10:51:16 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#111211: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:48:22 PM

Plus I get the feeling Marvel wants their own vision of Spiderman to take centre stage.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111212: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:49:32 PM

But they won't because marvel tv shows dont exist,unless you mean the new shows on Disney plus
I'm sorry, Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and Helstrom now all report directly to Kevin Feige and you still don't believe that they are part of the MCU? What's it going to take, Captain America to pop up and shout at you that they are all in the MCU, buddy?

If I'm reading that correctly, Marvel Comics is the only major asset left in the Marvel Entertainment subsidiary, since all the others are now with Marvel Studios.
No, they are all still part of Marvel Entertainment, but Kevin Feige is now the CCO of Marvel as a whole, not just Marvel Studios. To clarify: Marvel TV is still headed by Jeph Loeb and Marvel Entertainment is still headed by Dan Buckley, but they both report to Kevin Feige now instead of Ike Perlmutter. Buckley also reports to Perlmutter, but only in non-creative capacities.

Maybe now we can get revivals of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and The Spectacular Spider-Man on Disney+?
Sorry, Spectacular Spider-Man is owned by Sony, not Marvel. That's why it was cancelled when the rights reverted back to Marvel. Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, however, will be on Disney+ on day one, although I doubt they will revive it.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 15th 2019 at 12:50:03 PM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#111213: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:50:25 PM

Give Ike some credit he was able to pull Marvel out of its Bankruptcy, but his penny pinching that worked well when the company was in trouble did it no favors when it started getting successful again.

IMO his days were numbered when Disney had to step in to keep Feige from leaving (severing Marvel Studios) followed in short order by the double disaster of Iron Fist and Inhumans with the later dinging the Disney relationship with IMAX. The later reveal that the Netflix Marvel Series characters are locked for TWO YEARS post cancelation...when its likely Disney would LOVE to relaunch/move those series to the new service and retain the actors but currently cannot must be frustrating.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#111214: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:53:20 PM

> I'm sorry, Agents of SHIELD, Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, and Helstrom now all report directly to Kevin Feige and you still don't believe that they are part of the MCU? What's it going to take, Captain America to pop up and shout at you that they are all in the MCU, buddy?

Yes,i'd take that as solid confirmation of a unified MCU

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111215: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:56:43 PM

Too bad, he's an old man now.

Nick Fury, however, has already appeared twice in Agents of SHIELD, so...you know, there's your confirmation.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#111216: Oct 15th 2019 at 12:58:38 PM

AOS is the timeline where "Thanos attacked Earth but the Snap didn't happen." We can retcon that sure but... I don't get why it matters if it's "part of the MCU" or not, at this point, especially because it's on it's final season.

The Netflix shows were "part of the MCU" too but in the smallest of ways. I liked those more than AOS but I'm not really disturbed by people feeling the disconnect either.

It's just fun to think that while Thanos was gathering the stones Frank Castle was fighting a basement full of ex-military guys, or while Stark was fighting lava-powered Syndrome Daredevil, Jessica, Luke, and Danny were fighting ninjas underneath a New York skyscraper.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111217: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:05:24 PM

The Snap hasn't happened yet in AOS. They confirmed that the current season took place pre-Snap.

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#111218: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:08:53 PM

Timeline where Thor went for the head.

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#111219: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:09:40 PM

[up][up] And with the final season taking place in the 40s (?), it's unlikely we'll ever see the Snap depicted in AOS.

Edited by Brandon on Oct 15th 2019 at 1:11:17 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#111220: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:11:38 PM

My last hope that AOS will be recognized as a canon is for Lorelei to appear as Sidekick in the Loki series. (With the same actress)

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111221: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:14:32 PM

[up][up] The last season of AOS will skip around in time — it won't be completely set in the '30s and '40s. I suspect it will move to the '70s (because we know General Rick Stoner will appear again) and even the '80s and '90s.

I also suspect that it will end with them in the "present day" of the MCU, 2023, so that they literally skip the Snap (perhaps with a handwave of "we wouldn't be able to do anything during those five years anyway" or something).

Edited by alliterator on Oct 15th 2019 at 1:15:14 AM

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#111222: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:30:17 PM

[up]

But considering how time travel works in the MCU, would it even be their 2023?

And i do wonder if they will reference that changing the past won't affect their timeline.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111223: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:32:05 PM

[up] AOS is using a different form of time travel. They've already changed their own timeline.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#111224: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:32:49 PM

Feige to become president in 2024

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111225: Oct 15th 2019 at 1:45:09 PM

[up]×2

So they're ignoring the Time Travel rules set in Endgame. See, that's why some feel like the films and TV shows aren't really connected.

At no point did Endgame say there were multiple forms of time travel. Banner straight up said that changing the past was impossible.


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