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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#111176: Oct 14th 2019 at 1:42:13 PM

[up][up] Correct. That's actually why the popcorn is expensive. The theater seat itself is usually terribly underpriced and nearly a loss-leader. Concession sales are how theaters actually make the majority of their profits. Ticket sales mostly exist to get people to visit the concession stands. I'm unsure how much money theaters make when you include popcorn sales and the like, however.

Having said that, it should be noted that low ticket prices are partly due to filmmakers. They make agreements with theaters to have low ticket prices.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Oct 14th 2019 at 1:43:44 AM

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Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#111177: Oct 14th 2019 at 1:54:38 PM

Speaking of theaters and whatnot, but I've actually spoken to numerous theater employees, and they all despise the Marvel movies. But, not for the reason you'd think.

They hate that the films include stingers after the credits, meaning you have a a bunch of fans remaining in the theater, and it gives the workers way less time to clean the theater for the next showing.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#111178: Oct 14th 2019 at 2:17:40 PM

Yeah, I've heard the same from friends. What they hate the most is that is not only Marvel films they stay at, any mainstream movie now people stay to see if there's a stinger, and all started with Marvel movies.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#111179: Oct 14th 2019 at 2:29:29 PM

At any rate, the method of curtailing the influence of large bloockbusters in theaters is to incentive public culture funds for film theaters to guarantee a obligatory percentage of smaller films, and although this is moreso valid for foreign markets than the US, I imagine similar measures could be done to keep blockbusters from having this kind of monopoly.

Similar public incentives for film theaters is a method France uses to keep a stricter balance in their film market for example.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#111181: Oct 14th 2019 at 3:21:00 PM

It's not just Marvel movies, btw, but a lot of other, "bigger" movies (blockbusters, Oscar Bait, etc.) do crowd out screens at smaller theaters, and even some of the bigger ones. Those reduced showings give less of an opportunity for smaller movies to make a profit, and as a result they aren't out as long before they're pulled from theaters.

So smaller films often have an uphill struggle if there's competition out:

  • Get released first, and get crowded out
  • Get released at the same time/after, and get ignored
  • Don't get released at the same theaters, and don't get watched

The solution could be to get released at slow seasons in the movie release cycle (read: not during April-July or November-January), but then you may be limiting your audience yourself, and that puts more of an onus on the producers to actually promote the films. Which they should be doing anyway...

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#111182: Oct 14th 2019 at 3:23:32 PM

Like I said, Marvel movies having such a huge presence aren't the problem, they are a symptom. This isn't a new phenomenon by any stretch of imagination (which is part of why Scorcese laser-focusing on the MCU harms his own point).

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#111183: Oct 14th 2019 at 3:45:13 PM

And of course stingers are to get people to stick around during the credits because the people that made the movie want you to see their names

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111184: Oct 14th 2019 at 4:01:57 PM

Ryan Reynolds apparently tried to audition for the role of "Anthony Stark."

Guess how well it worked out.

(Real talk, he probably had a word with them about being a certain mercenary.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 14th 2019 at 7:03:35 AM

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#111185: Oct 14th 2019 at 5:09:24 PM

Ryan Reynolds looks (even today) too young looking to be Tony Stark.

He coulda been Quicksilver though.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111186: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:34:48 PM

If anyone's using Twitter, you may notice that Jeremy Renner is trending, but it's not for a good thing.

That said, these nasty things have a habit of being greatly exaggerated.

Regardless, I'm not going to post it here because it's REALLY horrifying and unless they recast him, this might be the end for Clint Barton.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111187: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:36:35 PM

Oh God what's he saying now?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#111188: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:37:11 PM

[up] It’s more about what his ex-wife is saying.

Namely how he allegedly tried to unalive her, himself, and their kid.

Again, we should wait until we hear the other side of the situation but...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 14th 2019 at 9:40:04 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111189: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:37:47 PM

To explain, Jeremy Renner has been accused by his ex-wife of assaulting and threatening to kill her - with a gun no less. He’s shooting back claiming she’s an addict and so on. It’s looking like a real mess.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 14th 2019 at 6:38:29 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#111190: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:40:08 PM

It's part of an increasingly ugly custody battle over their daughter.

People: Inside Jeremy Renner's Explosive Split from Ex-Wife: From Drug Allegations to Sole Custody Fight

He also recently fired back — with legal docs not bullets — that she is the one with the drug problem.

TMZ (warning, title is as clickbait as it gets): JEREMY RENNER Fires Back At Ex ...YOU'RE THE ONE WITH A DRUG PROBLEM!!!

Jeremy is firing back in legal docs of his own at Sonni's claims he abuses drugs and alcohol in front of their daughter ... stating she's making up the allegations because she's pissed their relationship never worked out and looking for a cash grab. Renner insists he does not abuse drugs or alcohol and even states he submitted to random drug testing for 3 months to defeat Sonni's claims. According to Renner, those tests all came back negative and suggests Sonni is the one with a drug problem.

Jeremy states he even hired a mental health specialist to monitor his visits with Ava to prove he was both sober and a capable parent.

The docs also lay out a timeline of Renner's film releases and the history of Sonni's allegations against him — including sexual and physical abuse of Ava — suggesting Sonni plans her attack to bring Jeremy bad press during his movie runs.

Renner says Sonni's allegations stem from her psychological problems and he wants the court to limit her time with Ava until she gets treatment and shows she can, "overcome her overwhelming obsession with demonizing" Renner.

Renner says over the 1-year marriage, Sonni would brag to friends that she had "bagged an Avenger" and joked she wanted to introduce her own friends to fellow 'Avenger' cast members so they could "bag an Avenger as well."

Edited by M84 on Oct 14th 2019 at 9:44:05 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#111191: Oct 14th 2019 at 6:48:10 PM

Okay this is a strictly personal thing that we shouldn't have anything to do with.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#111192: Oct 14th 2019 at 7:04:31 PM

This is reminding me of the mess that was Jim Cummings’ custody battle this year.

Best case scenario this ends like that: where their situation may clearly have brought out the ugliest in both of them but none of the criminal allegations actually happened (or at least, were not proven) and life went on.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#111193: Oct 14th 2019 at 7:05:44 PM

"which is part of why Scorcese laser-focusing on the MCU harms his own point"

Kinda, I will said super hero movies, specially MCU is more the perfect demostration of the issue, I remenbering see a list of the movie who make more money of 2016 or 2017 and 8 of 10 were superhero movies, which it kinda tell you something.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#111195: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:10:56 PM

I wouldn't say not guilty (as in innocent) so much as there's not enough concrete evidence to prove he's guilty.

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#111196: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:15:07 PM

My kneejerk reaction is usually "Believe the accuser", but a divorce custody hearing does make me skeptical. People on both sides say crazy shit to discredit their exes during those.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111197: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:16:55 PM

Custody battles tend to bring out the worst in everyone.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#111198: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:19:49 PM

Like I said this is personal stuff we shouldn't be getting into.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111199: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:38:33 PM

I've already pointed out that celeb personal lives really aren't any of our business...unless they've been accused of doing something horrible. Then it becomes relevant.

Granted, this is a custody battle, so the accusations should be taken with a grain of salt.

Edited by M84 on Oct 14th 2019 at 11:40:04 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#111200: Oct 14th 2019 at 8:49:13 PM

I'd wait until Marvel Studios themselves issue a statement or something like this directly intersects with the MCU products Renner is supposed to appear in, otherwise this seems like celeb gossip meant for other threads.


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